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Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by dang »

weirdthings wrote: post #77
spectramax wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was afraid that my comment will turn into USA vs. China. or _____ vs. China. That is all we do here on HN. Every single time anyone criticizes China, there is a preposterous tendency to "soften" the criticism by showing examples of other countries doing one or two things - pick and choose your favorite thing. I am honestly frustrated with openly criticizing a regime, doesn't matter who, without resorting to compari…

Check the comment history for people who post “whatabout” comments when people criticize China. Some accounts do it a lot, on many comments/posts critical of China.

This breaks the HN guideline against insinuating astroturfing without evidence. Please don't do that—it's one of the most toxic things we see here.

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by dang »

civilian wrote: post #75
tedk-42 wrote: post #71

Shame the entire thread turned into a anti china beatup. HN is going down the same path slashdot did. Rather than informative posts it is filled with opinionated speech likely from bot accounts.

you're greatly underestimating the number of opinionated HNers there are if you think the number of comments can only be explained by bots :-P and also, 6/4/1989 you bootlicker

If you attack another user like that again, we will have to ban you, so please don't. You've mostly been a good commenter, so that shouldn't be hard.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by dang »

tedk-42 wrote: post #71

Shame the entire thread turned into a anti china beatup. HN is going down the same path slashdot did. Rather than informative posts it is filled with opinionated speech likely from bot accounts.

This breaks the HN guideline against insinuating astroturfing without evidence. Please don't do that—it's one of the most toxic things we see here.

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by hw »

elamje wrote: post #87

Not that this is a recommended solution, but VPNs work from inside of China. I lived with some Chinese students while I was exchanging and basically they said most people that want out of the Fire wall can just VPN out with no repercussions expected. Not that it’s ideal, but some commenters seem to believe that people in China have no access to the outside world which just isn’t true. Before the internet the USSR cou…

Didn't China ban VPN or at least started to issue fines to people who were caught using VPNs? Unless they backtracked on that..

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by PakG1 »

hw wrote: post #114
elamje wrote: post #87

Not that this is a recommended solution, but VPNs work from inside of China. I lived with some Chinese students while I was exchanging and basically they said most people that want out of the Fire wall can just VPN out with no repercussions expected. Not that it’s ideal, but some commenters seem to believe that people in China have no access to the outside world which just isn’t true. Before the internet the USSR cou…

Didn't China ban VPN or at least started to issue fines to people who were caught using VPNs? Unless they backtracked on that..

Yes, that parent comment must be old information.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21...

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21...

https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/2180960/chinese-vpn...

As well, I think the Chinese government has demonstrated multiple times during "sensitive times" in recent years that they can make commercial VPN services nonfunctional at the snap of a finger. If a commercial VPN service is working, it is because of the Chinese government's mercy, not because of the commercial VPN's technological ingenuity.

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I see commercial VPN providers advertising that they are the best or only VPN service to work in China. I remember one time I saw a viral Astrill ad floating around that said something to the effect: "We're happy that our VPN service is working great for our customers. But please don't post that your VPN service is working great. We work really hard to develop new technologies and get around the Chinese firewall, and if you keep bragging about it, the Chinese government could find out, it will make it harder for our services to work."

Super bad taste in my mouth. Come on, you know that the very first customers to download new clients are from the Chinese government working to figure out how to get it blocked. Hate this kind of disingenuous marketing.

edit: I will say that it is true that most commercial VPN services do seem to be used for most of the year and work well enough without consequences; the law seems to exist, but does not always get enforced. Would be interesting to see if China starts ratcheting up the fines over time.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by fireattack »

yixiang wrote: post #91

I'm Chinese. It's not that bad. * I've been hosting my Chinese blog in US vps since 2009 and it works fine. * I have Gitea hosted in US vps and it works fine too. * GoDaddy has Alipay (sort of China's PayPal) up for a long time. * ICP Licenses are easy to get (at least for Chinese) and typically take less a month. I've done it for my company's websites and my clients' websites. * ICP licenses are required only if you…

What is CN2

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by int_19h »

miaklesp wrote: post #102
morkfromork wrote: post #35

I want the opposite. I want to block China and Russia and a few other countries that constantly try to hack my site.

Your site should be very important that everyone tries to hack it.

So long as it has any sort of registration and hence user accounts, it's good enough to top up password lists.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by haxpor »

yixiang wrote: post #91

I'm Chinese. It's not that bad. * I've been hosting my Chinese blog in US vps since 2009 and it works fine. * I have Gitea hosted in US vps and it works fine too. * GoDaddy has Alipay (sort of China's PayPal) up for a long time. * ICP Licenses are easy to get (at least for Chinese) and typically take less a month. I've done it for my company's websites and my clients' websites. * ICP licenses are required only if you…

Thanks, I live in China too. I want to know is it easy to update ip address associated with ICP license? I seek an option to transfer from more expensive to cheaper vps solution and want to maintain icp license I already got.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by chvid »

"Sadly, it’s not so simple. If your app/website servers aren’t hosted from within China, then, for all intents and purposes, it’s blocked. I mean, it will probably technically load, but will be excruciatingly, unusably slow. And sometimes it will just not load at all for hours at a time."

Is that really correct? And are there any sort of systematic measurements of that?

I seem to remember from my travels in China that accessing my websites hosted in Denmark was ok, certainly not stellar, but better than Australia.

(The rest of the advice: Don't use FB and Google - absolutely a good idea.)

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by continuations »

yixiang wrote: post #91

I'm Chinese. It's not that bad. * I've been hosting my Chinese blog in US vps since 2009 and it works fine. * I have Gitea hosted in US vps and it works fine too. * GoDaddy has Alipay (sort of China's PayPal) up for a long time. * ICP Licenses are easy to get (at least for Chinese) and typically take less a month. I've done it for my company's websites and my clients' websites. * ICP licenses are required only if you…

> Hosting in China is ridiculously expensive and many Chinese go out of their way to host elsewhere

If I host in Europe or US would the speed of traffic going into China be very slow?

If I get a 1Gbps server in EU most likely I can serve 1Gbps to USA. Will I be able to serve 1Gbps to China from that EU server?

> For 9$ a month you get 1 cpu, 1G ram and 1MBit bandwidth

That is insanely expensive. How can startups in China handle that kind of hosting cost? Where do they host their websites?

> Get a host with CN2

What's CN2? Where can I find their website?

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