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Swift UTF-8 String
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Re: Swift UTF-8 String
#2Seems like the right move. Julia made a similar transition in 1.0 for similar reasons and it has turned out very well.
Re: Swift UTF-8 String
#3Great work by the Swift team on stabilizing this (especially around UTF-8) for Swift 5. One question: how do Objective-C's tagged NSString pointers fit into this? Are these imported as "opaque" strings? I see that _SmallString seems to store its characters inline; are there any plans to do tagged pointers in Swift as well?
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#4Is anyone using Swift outside of Apple specific stuff professionally? When they first announced swift it felt like it might catch on as general purpose gced language. The language itself is quite beautiful in a lot of ways (although being OO was obviously an awful step backwards). But it feels like it's still just the crazy language Apple uses, just like Objective-C was.
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#5Is anyone using Swift outside of Apple specific stuff professionally? When they first announced swift it felt like it might catch on as general purpose gced language. The language itself is quite beautiful in a lot of ways (although being OO was obviously an awful step backwards). But it feels like it's still just the crazy language Apple uses, just like Objective-C was.
Jeremy Howard and Chris Lattner are starting to push Swift for Tensorflow:
Re: Swift UTF-8 String
#6Is anyone using Swift outside of Apple specific stuff professionally? When they first announced swift it felt like it might catch on as general purpose gced language. The language itself is quite beautiful in a lot of ways (although being OO was obviously an awful step backwards). But it feels like it's still just the crazy language Apple uses, just like Objective-C was.
Google are beginning to use it for Tensorflow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s65BigoMV_I
There's a course currently running in University of San Francisco run by Fast.ai which is using Swift-Tensorflow taught by Chris Lattner for two lessons: https://www.usfca.edu/data-institute/certificates/deep-learn...
Not exactly what you asked, but pertinent.
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#7Is anyone using Swift outside of Apple specific stuff professionally? When they first announced swift it felt like it might catch on as general purpose gced language. The language itself is quite beautiful in a lot of ways (although being OO was obviously an awful step backwards). But it feels like it's still just the crazy language Apple uses, just like Objective-C was.
Unless you consider reference counting to be a form of GC¹, Swift is not a GC'ed language.
¹It technically is, but most people don't mean reference counting when they say GC.
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#8Is anyone using Swift outside of Apple specific stuff professionally? When they first announced swift it felt like it might catch on as general purpose gced language. The language itself is quite beautiful in a lot of ways (although being OO was obviously an awful step backwards). But it feels like it's still just the crazy language Apple uses, just like Objective-C was.
We've been eye-ing it for a while at remind.com. Our hangup has been that we're heavily aws focused, but https://github.com/amzn/smoke-aws is looking promising.
We're interested because it's one of a handful of statically typed functional programming languages. Haskell/Ocaml are great as ML type languages, but it's a big paradigm shift for a team to jump into. Rust still has a pretty decent learning curve. Swift seems to have landed nicely in the "anyone can pick it up" territory. Kotlin is also in that territory, but the JVM is a beast.
For now, we're heavily focused on Typescript as the statically typed functional language, and we leverage types pretty aggressively (conditional types, discriminant unions, etc). Our iOS devs bring a lot of the Swift style over to our backend Typescript systems and from what I've experienced I think Swift absolutely will have a place in backend development.
Re: Swift UTF-8 String
#9Is anyone using Swift outside of Apple specific stuff professionally? When they first announced swift it felt like it might catch on as general purpose gced language. The language itself is quite beautiful in a lot of ways (although being OO was obviously an awful step backwards). But it feels like it's still just the crazy language Apple uses, just like Objective-C was.
We've been eye-ing it for a while at remind.com. Our hangup has been that we're heavily aws focused, but https://github.com/amzn/smoke-aws is looking promising. We're interested because it's one of a handful of statically typed functional programming languages. Haskell/Ocaml are great as ML type languages, but it's a big paradigm shift for a team to jump into. Rust still has a pretty decent learning curve. Swift seem…
Swift is a nice language but I think the reliance on ref counting is going to limit its adoption. You have to work a lot harder to avoid reference cycles in Swift than you do in a garbage collected language. Unless GC latency is a deal breaker for your problem domain it’s not worth the extra effort.
My money is on Rust for really low level stuff and Kotlin for anything where JVM overhead is acceptable.
Re: Swift UTF-8 String
#10Is anyone using Swift outside of Apple specific stuff professionally? When they first announced swift it felt like it might catch on as general purpose gced language. The language itself is quite beautiful in a lot of ways (although being OO was obviously an awful step backwards). But it feels like it's still just the crazy language Apple uses, just like Objective-C was.
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