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So you want your app/website to work in China

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Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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post #34

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Yes, on their local Intranet.

> 40% of the world's e-commerce transactions currently take place in China > on their local Intranet As if AliExpress.com is non-exist outside China? Many non-China websites are blocked in China. Yet Chinese websites serves globally. Think about it.

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Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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post #19

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> There's no internet in China anyway More than 40% of the world's e-commerce transactions currently take place in China. The United States’ share of the market is 24%, down from 35% in 2005.

Yes, on their local Intranet.

I wonder how much non-US sites and services an average American use daily?

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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post #7

Any suggestions of services that help a company obtain the ICP License?

You can look into Alicloud (Alibaba Cloud) ICP, they provide English language services to help you set up a license. Still requires a locally registered entity (whether as a WFOE or a fully registered company) but they help a lot in navigating the bureaucracy.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Ive lived in mainland China most of last 12 years and work in software. The last paragraph is key one for most websites. You have to remove use of all G, FB and related site scripts because these will not run. There are good alternatives anyway so do yourself a favor and replace them with self-hosted or other 3rd party alternatives. There are sites for testing what is blocked in China - you should test all 3rd party…

Just read the article again only to realize the late paragraph was not "Good luck! Please enable JavaScript to view the comments powered by Disqus." LOL

Anyway, before I had a stable proxy, I actually set up my local DNS to redirect all .google.com., .facebook.com. and their CDNs to 127.0.0.1 just so I can "unblock" some other webpages. That was not a good experience.

Those script can actually be delayed from loading so they won't block the page. You don't need to actually remove them, just load them AFTER your page is loaded, and then most things will be fine. (Except for Google Recaptcha of course)

It's a good practice to un-trust everything you don't have control, and maybe make exceptions from there. Don't by default trust everything.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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I'm really confused.

I have a fairly international website geared towards English language learners, with Google Analytics and AdSense and links to share on Facebook, hosted on Digital Ocean here in NYC...

and, without designing for it, China has been my #1 source of traffic and revenue for many years now, simply because they're the #1 largest population of English language learners.

It seems to be working fine. I mean, maybe my share of Chinese traffic could be even bigger, but does anyone have any hard numbers showing this is a problem? Or are Chinese users aware of slow loads but just put up with it?

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's no internet in China anyway More than 40% of the world's e-commerce transactions currently take place in China. The United States’ share of the market is 24%, down from 35% in 2005.

Yes, on their local Intranet.

We've had our own "Intranet" for many services. Its error message usually looks like "Sorry, you can't load this Netflix/Hulu/Pandora/Spotify/Amazon/HBO content outside of the United States." And now there's many sites with error messages like "Sorry, but the GDPR is, like, hard, so you can't access our site outside the US."

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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I don't want to live in a world where the next superpower blocks websites as they suit them, suppress freedom of speech and journalism, exploit prisoners, religious segregation camps, employing social dystopian systems and is led by unimpeachable, unchallenged leader who has elected himself with a 1000-0 vote as perpetual president of the country.

It is sad to see that the rest of the world has to bend down to serve this repressive state. I've been to China and the people there are the same as us - I despise the party, not the people. The next generation that grows up there will not have the perspective of what it means to live in a free democratic country.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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I'm really confused. I have a fairly international website geared towards English language learners, with Google Analytics and AdSense and links to share on Facebook, hosted on Digital Ocean here in NYC... and, without designing for it, China has been my #1 source of traffic and revenue for many years now, simply because they're the #1 largest population of English language learners. It seems to be working fine. I me…

VPN usage is popular, even more so among the educated who might want to improve their English. That’s who you’re targeting anyways right?

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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I traveled to China for about a month and a half a few years ago. Everything was excruciatingly slow. Except for Hacker News. Probably more about the payload size than anything else. :) How many companies work hard to make their services readily available in China? Any notable exceptions?

Maybe you were primarily trying to access services outside of China? Within China things can be decently fast and low latency - from what I hear - and it is a large place with a lot of compute infrastructure. You have to treat it as its own world. Where on the outside, all we see is the chaos and interruption of a hurricane, but there is a center that is harder to see where people go about their daily lives and have…

Extra complex because the major networks don’t peer with each other very well so you end up having to have PoPs on Telecom, Unicom, and China Mobile.
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