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Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by stcredzero » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:22 PM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #28

You know, there are countries where this kind of thing doesn’t happen. Like, all of them. Know how many such drills we had in Canada? Zero. Probably because most guns are illegal so we don’t need them. That the solution isn’t gun control but instead making it illegal to shoot teachers unexpectedly with airsoft rifles is evidence of how insanely beyond the pail US gun policy and the whole discourse has become. New Zea…

Probably because most guns are illegal so we don’t need them.

I saw a YouTube video from a few years back. A Canadian walked into a gun store co-located with a gas station and bought a semi auto rifle. I also recall a more recent video from one of my subscribed YouTubers firing a different semi-auto rifle. I don't think your logic really holds up to the facts.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by cribbles » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:22 PM UTC

dx87 wrote: post #34

gpuhacker wrote: post #26

I'm from Europe. I mostly clicked on the link to find out what a shooter drill is. I'm baffled by the article and the comments in this thread. Having to have drills for school shootings is apparently considered a normal part of life in the US.

It's not. I don't know anyone that's ever been through an active shooter drill. The closest I know of is the college my wife taught at had an optional hour long seminar for teachers.

Nearly 95 percent of public schools had lockdown drills as of 2015-16.[1] I don't know anyone who's been through one either, but I'm an adult, and our generation just missed the cutoff.

[1] https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2017/2017122.pdf, quoted in https://medium.com/s/youthnow/the-response-to-school-shootin....

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by blattimwind » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:22 PM UTC

gumby wrote: post #11

AWildC182 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels like a weird thing to say but exposing students (or anyone) to this seems like a really bad idea. By letting them experience that kind of terror, I feel it may give anyone with sociopathic tendencies 'ideas' and may influence them to seek that kind of control over others. We're all just the sum of our experiences and giving young impressionable kids terrifying experiences in the pursuit of protecting them…

I believe terrorizing the population into compliance is the point. I don't think you have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe that.

Obey & Survive

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by arcticbull » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:24 PM UTC

stcredzero wrote: post #41

arcticbull wrote: post #28

You know, there are countries where this kind of thing doesn’t happen. Like, all of them. Know how many such drills we had in Canada? Zero. Probably because most guns are illegal so we don’t need them. That the solution isn’t gun control but instead making it illegal to shoot teachers unexpectedly with airsoft rifles is evidence of how insanely beyond the pail US gun policy and the whole discourse has become. New Zea…

Probably because most guns are illegal so we don’t need them. I saw a YouTube video from a few years back. A Canadian walked into a gun store co-located with a gas station and bought a semi auto rifle. I also recall a more recent video from one of my subscribed YouTubers firing a different semi-auto rifle. I don't think your logic really holds up to the facts.

It’s no YouTube video haha but Wikipedia has a pretty good description of the rules [1]. Everyone needs a license, long guns you’re free to own unregistered, everything else requires registration.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Canada

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by MFLoon » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:25 PM UTC

dx87 wrote: post #34

gpuhacker wrote: post #26

I'm from Europe. I mostly clicked on the link to find out what a shooter drill is. I'm baffled by the article and the comments in this thread. Having to have drills for school shootings is apparently considered a normal part of life in the US.

It's not. I don't know anyone that's ever been through an active shooter drill. The closest I know of is the college my wife taught at had an optional hour long seminar for teachers.

Sadly you're mistaken. Not many current American adults experienced them growing up even though school shootings have been happening for decades, but in recent years they've started to become as commonplace as fire drills in American primary schools.

"Nine out of ten public schools now drill students and teachers to respond to mass shootings, according to the National Center for Education Statistics." [regrettably via Vox: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/16/17016382/s... but still, seems legit]

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by monsterbash506 » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:26 PM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #28

You know, there are countries where this kind of thing doesn’t happen. Like, all of them. Know how many such drills we had in Canada? Zero. Probably because most guns are illegal so we don’t need them. That the solution isn’t gun control but instead making it illegal to shoot teachers unexpectedly with airsoft rifles is evidence of how insanely beyond the pail US gun policy and the whole discourse has become. New Zea…

Ah, remember when all that gun control prevented a group of armed terrorists from massacreing nearly 100 people in Paris? Or when Brazil abolished private firearm ownership - did that make the country any safer? It seems to be the opposite - firearm homicides increased to over 60,000+ yearly (compared to 10,000-15,000 in the US anually.)

The US is far safer than it was in the late 80s/early 90s when barely anybody owned dreaded "assault weapons" and when concealed carry wasn't a thing.

More guns = less crime.

Homicide rates in the northern US are comparable to that of Canada.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by ryanmarsh » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:27 PM UTC

penagwin wrote: post #27

ryanmarsh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately such training is for the limbic system, so pain and fear are required. The limbic system doesn't speak English and cannot reason.

Okay but we aren't training solders here, they took teachers, told them to kneel against the wall, and shot them in the back repeatedly without telling them what was about to happen. These are elementary schoolteachers - they're job is to educate (and half baby-sit) children. I'm not making any statement with training, I'm just saying the method here is inappropriate. EDIT: Plus how is this training? Are they expecte…

Okay but we aren't training solders here

Maybe not but it sure looks like a battlefield[0].

0: when you’re in the midst of a school shooting

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by ryanmarsh » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:27 PM UTC

bootlooped wrote: post #25

ryanmarsh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately such training is for the limbic system, so pain and fear are required. The limbic system doesn't speak English and cannot reason.

I think it's a little absurd to think that shooting somebody with a pellet gun once is going to benefit them in an active shooter situation. With repeated training, maybe, but this is something that is never going to happen again.

That’s because you’re thinking. The limbic system doesn’t think.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:30 PM UTC

magduf wrote: post #38

24gttghh wrote: post #18

Why not have school-wide martial arts training or something instead? Empower the populace, and discourage people from attempting it in the first place. "An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure" as they say... These shelter in place drills are addressing a symptom, and not the cause of violence.

Martial arts are pretty useless when some nut has an assault rifle and other firearms at hand. This isn't a Hollywood movie.

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Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by Duladian » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:32 PM UTC

cribbles wrote: post #42

dx87 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not. I don't know anyone that's ever been through an active shooter drill. The closest I know of is the college my wife taught at had an optional hour long seminar for teachers.

Nearly 95 percent of public schools had lockdown drills as of 2015-16.[1] I don't know anyone who's been through one either, but I'm an adult, and our generation just missed the cutoff. [1] https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2017/2017122.pdf , quoted in https://medium.com/s/youthnow/the-response-to-school-shootin... .

I went through the public school system and I remember having lockdown drills from 1997 onward. Teachers just locked the doors and continued teaching until the all clear was announced and they unlocked the door.

In 2014 I was working IT for a private high school which had an active shooter drill on a yearly basis. I was told they started it two years prior because a student came onto campus with a handgun.

Both in southern California.