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Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Why the hell is the gun loaded?!

Why was it even real? It's a school. If you really need to do demonstrations, get a plastic prop gun.

Reminds me of DARE when they'd show a vial of crack. A picture would have been sufficient.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Controversial opinion from someone with extensive experience with assault weapon violence. GOOD The current "shelter in place" model of active shooter drills KILLS CHILDREN. In combat we had another name for "shelter in place"... "die in place". People must be taught to fight back or flee. They must because it is not instinctive. Most of us were raised in relatively peaceful societies and have a school yard/Hollywood…

What if you have a gun on you and no place to escape, do you attack right away, or wait for the shooter to come in and take him by surprise?

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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I'm from Europe. I mostly clicked on the link to find out what a shooter drill is. I'm baffled by the article and the comments in this thread. Having to have drills for school shootings is apparently considered a normal part of life in the US.

It's not. I don't know anyone that's ever been through an active shooter drill. The closest I know of is the college my wife taught at had an optional hour long seminar for teachers.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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"During active shooter drill, four teachers at a time were taken into a room, told to crouch down and were shot execution style with some sort of projectiles - resulting in injuries to the extent that welts appeared, and blood was drawn. ... The Indiana State Teachers Association is lobbying lawmakers to add language prohibiting teachers from being shot with any sort of ammunition to a school safety bill working its…

Taking it back about a million steps, did they know this was a drill? Having anyone think they're being executed is insane trauma. And if they did know, what is the point of shooting them with pellets?

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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This whole situation is absurd, and the idea of passing a law explicitly banning intentionally injuring a teacher during a training drill is the cherry on top. It sounds like this whole training activity is being run by idiots that don't actually know anything about or respect gun safety. Shooting someone unexpectedly with an air soft gun is already illegal. If the teachers signed a liability waiver making it okay, i…

>If the teachers signed a liability waiver making it okay, it's on the teachers for willingly participating in a clearly stupid and dangerous activity. If they didn't, then the injured teachers should hire a lawyer and sue...

I have to disagree here. Signing a waiver isn't iron-clad in court. You can't just sign a waiver saying it's OK for someone to shoot you, or do anything else illegal to you. Unless these teachers were clearly warned that this would injure them and draw blood, they have good cause to sue, and even if they were warned that way, they can still sue, arguing they were afraid for their jobs.

I'd like to see these teachers sue the bejesus out of this school district. It's absolutely incredible that anyone thought this was a good idea, and if no one goes to jail for it, the local government clearly deserves to pay dearly for it.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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I'm from Europe. I mostly clicked on the link to find out what a shooter drill is. I'm baffled by the article and the comments in this thread. Having to have drills for school shootings is apparently considered a normal part of life in the US.

Unfortunately, for the sake of some people's cowboy fantasies, a normal thing it shall stay.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Why not have school-wide martial arts training or something instead? Empower the populace, and discourage people from attempting it in the first place. "An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure" as they say... These shelter in place drills are addressing a symptom, and not the cause of violence.

Martial arts are pretty useless when some nut has an assault rifle and other firearms at hand. This isn't a Hollywood movie.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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>This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing You sure? Because even when I was in the military, they trained us to respond to security events by locking our area down rather than running into the fight unless we were designated responders. Sounds to me like the cops just wanted to fire their fancy training pellet guns at someone.

You don't have to run into the fight, but your odds of survival in a shooting are often better if you run away and try to escape.

Don't forget to run in a zig-zag fashion if you're being shot at...

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Why was it even real? It's a school. If you really need to do demonstrations, get a plastic prop gun.

I think it was the best kind of demonstration how dangerous guns are, that even DEA agent managed to literally shoot himself in the foot. I only hope it was not done on purpose.

It's not as if the pistol malfunctioned. If the agent had kept his booger hook off the bang switch, everything would have been fine.
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