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Japan plans to lower age of adulthood to 18 (2018)

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Re: Japan plans to lower age of adulthood to 18 (2018)

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> The bill includes clauses that are designed to protect against this problem. For example, young people will be able to cancel a contract if they believe salespeople have manipulated or pressured them into signing it.

I’m curious to know how this is codified legally. Presumably this isn’t just a blanket “oh no I was conned into an agreement that should be invalidated”?

Re: Japan plans to lower age of adulthood to 18 (2018)

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> The bill includes clauses that are designed to protect against this problem. For example, young people will be able to cancel a contract if they believe salespeople have manipulated or pressured them into signing it. I’m curious to know how this is codified legally. Presumably this isn’t just a blanket “oh no I was conned into an agreement that should be invalidated”?

Many countries have laws that require certain types of contracts to have an obligatory right to withdraw within a certain time. In my country, all contracts that have been entered "remotely" for example (over phone, over the Internet, etc.) have this, meaning that if you enter a contract over the phone, it can be nullified within a certain period for any reason.

So in these cases, whether you were "conned" or not is not a part of the legal language, which is probably very much a conscious move. It simply extends the customers right to withdraw from an agreement, keeping the reason for it legally irrelevant.

Re: Japan plans to lower age of adulthood to 18 (2018)

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> The bill includes clauses that are designed to protect against this problem. For example, young people will be able to cancel a contract if they believe salespeople have manipulated or pressured them into signing it. I’m curious to know how this is codified legally. Presumably this isn’t just a blanket “oh no I was conned into an agreement that should be invalidated”?

It's likely a form of misrepresentation law.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misrepresentation

Re: Japan plans to lower age of adulthood to 18 (2018)

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post #3

> The bill includes clauses that are designed to protect against this problem. For example, young people will be able to cancel a contract if they believe salespeople have manipulated or pressured them into signing it. I’m curious to know how this is codified legally. Presumably this isn’t just a blanket “oh no I was conned into an agreement that should be invalidated”?

Many countries have laws that require certain types of contracts to have an obligatory right to withdraw within a certain time. In my country, all contracts that have been entered "remotely" for example (over phone, over the Internet, etc.) have this, meaning that if you enter a contract over the phone, it can be nullified within a certain period for any reason. So in these cases, whether you were "conned" or not is…

Though there is a downside. I decided to start working when I was 16, and it was hard to keep business with no right to enforce my own liabilities in the contract.

Re: Japan plans to lower age of adulthood to 18 (2018)

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many countries have laws that require certain types of contracts to have an obligatory right to withdraw within a certain time. In my country, all contracts that have been entered "remotely" for example (over phone, over the Internet, etc.) have this, meaning that if you enter a contract over the phone, it can be nullified within a certain period for any reason. So in these cases, whether you were "conned" or not is…

Though there is a downside. I decided to start working when I was 16, and it was hard to keep business with no right to enforce my own liabilities in the contract.

I wasn't claiming that it's ideal, or something that should be applied to all contracts. I only answered the question of how this could be constructed in the legal sense. What types of contracts that are reasonable to include under a provision like this is an open debate.

Re: Japan plans to lower age of adulthood to 18 (2018)

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> But teenagers will still be banned from smoking, drinking alcohol and gambling until they are 20.

The logic of this escapes me. Although the article does not seem to mention it, it seems probable that the voting age will likely also be lowered to 18. This means teenagers will be considered old enough to make decisions that will affect the entire country, all the while being considered too immature to make decisions that will really only affect them individually.

Re: Japan plans to lower age of adulthood to 18 (2018)

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post #7

> But teenagers will still be banned from smoking, drinking alcohol and gambling until they are 20. The logic of this escapes me. Although the article does not seem to mention it, it seems probable that the voting age will likely also be lowered to 18. This means teenagers will be considered old enough to make decisions that will affect the entire country, all the while being considered too immature to make decisions…

Smoking/Drinking/Gambling restrictions are directed to protecting those vulnerable. This is not the same cross-section of civically motivated 18 year olds. Age barriers are the most efficient, + most politically correct tool the government has in regards to demographics.

Re: Japan plans to lower age of adulthood to 18 (2018)

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post #7

> But teenagers will still be banned from smoking, drinking alcohol and gambling until they are 20. The logic of this escapes me. Although the article does not seem to mention it, it seems probable that the voting age will likely also be lowered to 18. This means teenagers will be considered old enough to make decisions that will affect the entire country, all the while being considered too immature to make decisions…

Vote for a lower drinking age.

Re: Japan plans to lower age of adulthood to 18 (2018)

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post #7

> But teenagers will still be banned from smoking, drinking alcohol and gambling until they are 20. The logic of this escapes me. Although the article does not seem to mention it, it seems probable that the voting age will likely also be lowered to 18. This means teenagers will be considered old enough to make decisions that will affect the entire country, all the while being considered too immature to make decisions…

Other than the allure of forbidden fruit I don't see what you actually lose by not drinking, smoking or gambling for those 2 formative years.
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