UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit

Post by wallace_f » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 11:18 AM UTC

slavoingilizov wrote: post #95

jon889 wrote: post #50

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I don't really understand how Paris has real protests almost every weekend, yet we're leaving the EU and we've just had a few marches. Marches do nothing, they're preplanned to cause minimal disruption, just make the people in them feel like they're doing something so that it doesn't go further than that. The march on Saturday needs to at least move off the preplanned route and actually cause some inconvenience.

Historically, the citizens of the UK and former British Empire have never managed to pull off a revolution. I don't know if complacency is ingrained in the culture (plenty of evidence for the opposite), but the French started beheading kings when they were not happy. The UK still supports a figurehead monarch. No evidence of correlation or causation, but just saying.

Post by lazyjones » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 11:19 AM UTC

lm28469 wrote: post #76

jonplackett wrote: post #21

Petitions for Brexit are completely pointless. We already know half the country wants to leave and half wants to stay, so unless that petition has more than 33 million signatures then it doesn't prove much does it. (FYI: I voted remain and think Brexit is completely dumb, but it doesn't change how pointless petitions are for subjects where it's well established what people's opinions are)

> We already know half the country wants to leave and half wants to stay I get it's a democracy yada yada, but how are people expected to make such a decision ? It has so many consequences on short and long term, even experts in the field struggle(d) to predict. We're not talking about the color of a national football team jersey or a 1% increase on alcohol tax here. The vote wasn't about staying or leaving EU, it wa…

Post by ben_w » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 11:19 AM UTC

richmarr wrote: post #24

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #20

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The Brexiteers had won when they successfully framed Brexit as "the will of the 17M". Remainers didn't counter-frame this with "50M didn't vote for Brexit". Therefor all the marches, petitions etc. are always/can be ignored in the context of "but the will of the 17M". "Don't Think of an Elephant!" is now such an old book, and still a lot of people haven't read it. Brexiteers have read it it seems.

I think the petition will need more than 17m (genuine) signatures before it'll have the effect it's aiming for. Not saying the signatures so far aren't genuine, just that to have the desired effect it'll need to be reasonably free from doubt

Post by pjc50 » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 11:20 AM UTC

tomp wrote: post #108

nutjob2 wrote: post #100

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She's tried everything except actual leadership. The reason her political career is over is that's she's an ineffective leader. These sorts of situations are the very definition of what leadership is for. The fact it's nigh an impossible situation is partly due to the path she has chosen and her relative incompetence in her job. You can feel for her and that's fine, but at the end of the day responsibility to get the…

What would have been a better path (honest question)?

Post by Simulacra » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 11:23 AM UTC