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Wouldn't it be meaningless, anyway, unless you compare it to the number of people who are opposed to the petition?
I made a progress bar against the NoDeal counter-petition: https://brexit-petitions-count.now.sh (Pending API availability)
will there be a "reinvoke article 50" after this?
Not easily. There is a court ruling that states that invoking Article 50 repeatedly can be seen as an illegal abuse of the rule to exert undue pressure on the EU. So if Britain wants to do it all again, they need to clear that bar.
Citation needed. I have read the primary ruling on this[1], and I don't recall anything of the sort.
As the Court notes:
> Although, during the drafting of [Article 50 TEU], amendments had been proposed [...] to avoid the risk of abuse during the withdrawal procedure [...], those amendments were all rejected on the ground, expressly set out in the comments on the draft, that the voluntary and unilateral nature of the withdrawal decision should be ensured.
[1] http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&doc...
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>We already know half the country wants to leave and half wants to stay The two halves are not static. Leave voters are predominately older and enough of them have died to shift the proportion ( https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-... ). It's clear that that Leave was a racist ( https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/06/25/483362200... ) campaign designed to frighten old people. >Even if…
You don't get to keep having do overs until enough of your opposition has died to get the result you want. Might as well just start banning "racists" and other undesirables from the polls outright if that's the path you want to go down.
One could say the same about May's repeated requests for votes in parliament on her "deal". It was rejected, we need a better solution.
I voted remain but I'd rather crash out with no deal on the 29th than go through this endless uncertainty ad nauseum.
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If someone does not vote, when there was ample opportunity to do so, then they implicitly are accepting the outcome - whichever way it goes. This actually should read "Brexit - The will of the 17m + 50m who are okay with this" This would have read the same if the result had gone the other way: "Remain - The will of the Xm + 50m who are okay with this" At the end of the day, there was a vote and more people wanted Bre…
We are having a lot of elections this year, so one meme floats around on FB: "Bad government is that happens when good people do not vote".
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The Brexiteers had won when they successfully framed Brexit as "the will of the 17M". Remainers didn't counter-frame this with "50M didn't vote for Brexit". Therefor all the marches, petitions etc. are always/can be ignored in the context of "but the will of the 17M". "Don't Think of an Elephant!" is now such an old book, and still a lot of people haven't read it. Brexiteers have read it it seems.
If someone does not vote, when there was ample opportunity to do so, then they implicitly are accepting the outcome - whichever way it goes. This actually should read "Brexit - The will of the 17m + 50m who are okay with this" This would have read the same if the result had gone the other way: "Remain - The will of the Xm + 50m who are okay with this" At the end of the day, there was a vote and more people wanted Bre…
Pull the other one. This isn't the BBC Have Your Say comments section. People won't just believe that because you've declared it so.
Illegal data theft: https://twitter.com/Nealb2010/status/1059068463933743104
Flagrant violations of electoral law: https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/ele... - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/vote-leave-...
Blatant lies and disinformation on immigration: https://www.europeanlawmonitor.org/eu-referendum-topics/summ...
General lies: https://www.independent.co.uk/infact/brexit-second-referendu...
More lies: https://minutehack.com/opinions/lies-damn-lies-and-brexit
Further lies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxWiRz6A9E
External interference and disinformation: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/17/why-is...
These petitions are almost always met with a boilerplate response. There was a recent one (which I can't find as the site's currently down) regarding Russian interference in the last UK election, with the government response being along the lines of "we don't know what you're talking about, move on". More on that here: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/b2vmm0/gover... While the huge number of signings o…
I think mostly everyone signing this knows this. But it’s not as though we’ve been listened to in any way. I like the summary of @bootstrapcool on Twitter: “God knows we've tried everything else.[...] A brief use of collective impotent fury and a tiny squeak into the black holes of our futures, but it's something.”
(I note it has passed 750,000 signatures in well under 24 hours.)
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She's tried everything except actual leadership. The reason her political career is over is that's she's an ineffective leader. These sorts of situations are the very definition of what leadership is for. The fact it's nigh an impossible situation is partly due to the path she has chosen and her relative incompetence in her job. You can feel for her and that's fine, but at the end of the day responsibility to get the…
What would have been a better path (honest question)?
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Are you sure they don't check the electoral roll behind the scenes?
Entries are absolutely validated, you cannot just use proxies and automate hundreds of thousands of signings. The people behind the petition website are not idiots.
This can be worrying.
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Yup I wouldn't want it every weekend. But the scale of Brexit is much bigger, its going to affect our country for decades. It just seems like there should be more protests rather than marches or at least civil disobedience
True, but I think the British (my brothers to the east and north) need to remember that Brexit was ultimately a popular movement. Parliamentary shenanigans played a role, and have been making a mockery of themselves since but... Brexit was a popular vote, with neither party actually supporting it. The interest in Brexit also grew against the wishes of major parties, industries and most centres of power. A reason parl…
The inability to force a clear Leave manifesto is the root of the disaster. What "should" have happened is either a Leave PM, or the 2017 election should have been run on a clear Leave manifesto specifying a realistic deal to be sought against a Remain opposition.
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I think mostly everyone signing this knows this. But it’s not as though we’ve been listened to in any way. I like the summary of @bootstrapcool on Twitter: “God knows we've tried everything else.[...] A brief use of collective impotent fury and a tiny squeak into the black holes of our futures, but it's something.”
> But it’s not as though we’ve been listened to in any way. I get the sentiment (as a pro-Euro Brit), but surely the original referendum counts as being listened to in some way?