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Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Post by xxs »

krageon wrote: post #54
LoSboccacc wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Article 13 is terrible not because it’s terrible for start-ups, it’s terrible because it’s terrible for people. the two aren't mutually exclusive and Europe is right now in a deep growth slump also caused by middle class not moving into entrepreneurship due all the red tape and inefficiencies around having to deal with the particularities of every European state, with the EU aggregating without unifying a mess of r…

VAT and a vast majority of the laws surrounding commerce at least are simple and have been abstracted away by various platforms ages ago. I invite you to read up on the subject and revise your stance (your premise may or may not be true, I will not claim to know either way) based on something that is actually true.

VAT is very far from simple across the EU and there have been recent changes for online shopping (depending on the amount/turnover per year if might be necessary to charge VAT based on the buyer residence instead of company registration)

Another instance in most EU countries tips (in restaurants/bars) should be subject of VAT, not in the UK for instance.

Different exceptions for deductibles like water for employees (but not coffee and so on)

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Post by krageon »

avereveard wrote: post #74
krageon wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't do that, because you don't need to toe the line.

there's no avoiding gdpr. how do you do presales without? it's not just about the trackers. every information is impacted from prospect contacts book to hiring, all that information requires consent and a public policy and a dpo. and someone has to write that policy and someone has to be your dpo. and that's operating costs that a garage level startup will not be able to sustain.

Of course you are correct that the things you have just mentioned require some knowledge of the laws governing personal information. I just dispute the notion that this is required or even healthy.

If you are of the position that the popular extremely invasive form of "marketing" is something that absolutely has to happen, then what I say will never apply to you. Especially as it pertains to it being self-evident that you're not violating anyone's rights.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Post by sbacic »

krageon wrote: post #54
LoSboccacc wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Article 13 is terrible not because it’s terrible for start-ups, it’s terrible because it’s terrible for people. the two aren't mutually exclusive and Europe is right now in a deep growth slump also caused by middle class not moving into entrepreneurship due all the red tape and inefficiencies around having to deal with the particularities of every European state, with the EU aggregating without unifying a mess of r…

VAT and a vast majority of the laws surrounding commerce at least are simple and have been abstracted away by various platforms ages ago. I invite you to read up on the subject and revise your stance (your premise may or may not be true, I will not claim to know either way) based on something that is actually true.

I think it all depends on how far you want to stretch the definition of "simple". I run a sole proprietorship and don't have to worry about national VAT until I cross a certain threshold. However, if I do business with customers in another EU state, I immediately need to account for VAT and report it.

Add to that mistranslated directives (!), misinformed and uncooperative tax officials and you quickly realize that both "ease of doing business" and the single market are all a bunch of baloney. If I ever launch a B2C service, you can bet your ass I won't be aiming it at the EU market. I'll leave that for when I can afford an expert to handle all the bureaucratic nonsense that doing business in the EU involves.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Post by _khau »

IdiocyInAction wrote: post #7

As an EU citizen, I hope large portions of the internet will just block us. A couple of days without YouTube, Wikipedia and other services would create sufficient outrage to put pressure on the EU for introducing these idiotic laws. I mean, GDPR is bad enough for start ups, but Article 13?

GDPR was never meant to help business. It was intended to protect individuals from business.

Honestly, if your business can't survive without adhering to basic data protection principles then the world is better of without your company.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Post by rutthenut »

dleslie wrote: post #23
gerdesj wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR and Article 13 (in The Directive on Copyright) are totally different and unrelated things. I happen to be a small business owner in the EU and I have many customers who are the same. We all have registered with the ICO (UK) for something like £60 pa and filled in a short questionnaire. We have read the clear guidance on what records to keep and what to not keep - it's not rocket science. That is GDPR for most sm…

> In the end, are you really sure you want the world to block us? Yes. Let's end the cycle of pretending that we can prevent information from being free. Copyright is a dinosaur of an idea that belongs in the annals of history and out of the present.

Copyright is far from a dinosaur. It may be disliked by freeloaders but that doesn't make it wrong.

I know of numerous photographers who find their work ripped-off; without copyright protection they would have no comeback on that.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Post by testuser2131 »

porsager wrote: post #105

For anyone in Denmark, here are contact details for the MEPs: - Margrete Auken - +4561625450 - margrete.auken@europarl.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/MargreteAuken - Bendt Bendtsen - bb@bendt.dk - https://twitter.com/BendtEU - Ole Christensen - +4522200830 - ole.christensen@europarl.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/oleeu - Jørn Dohrmann - +4561623349 - jorn.dohrmann@europarl.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/mepdohrman…

I was not able to find these phone numbers online, where did you get them from?

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Post by jhabdas »

Re Article 11 foundation states for-profit information aggregators will be restricted to snippets. This is good for liberating information as it will help increase the breadth of useful search results for original content.

Re Article 13 and placing increased pressure against the DCMA, you'll probably stop seeing so many 1080p movies on YouTube (hence NewPipe) when you search for "x264 YIFY". That sucks.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Post by scarejunba »

jaifraic wrote: post #116
koonsolo wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me give you a clear example. Look at this: Exit light Enter night Take my hand We're off to Never—, Neverland Now I lay me down to sleep Pray the Lord my soul to keep If I die before I wake Pray the Lord my soul to take These are the lyrics of Metallica "Enter Sandman". YCombinator can now get sued because they didn't filter out my post. They unlawfully published copyrighted material. Without this law, I would be…

This is false. A13 Chapter 5[1] explicitly allows posts like yours: The cooperation between online content service providers and rightholders shall not result in the prevention of the availability of works or other subject matter uploaded by users which do not infringe copyright and related rights, including where such works or subject matter are covered by an exception or limitation. Member States shall ensure that…

Here are the lyrics to Enter Sandman by Metallica:

Say your prayers, little one Don't forget, my son To include everyone I tuck you in, warm within Keep you free from sin Until the sandman he comes

[Pre-Chorus] Sleep with one eye open Gripping your pillow tight

[Chorus] Exit light Enter night Take my hand We're off to never never-land

[Verse 2] Something's wrong, shut the light Heavy thoughts tonight And they aren't of Snow White Dreams of war Dreams of liars Dreams of dragons fire And of things that will bite, yeah

[Pre-Chorus] Sleep with one eye open Gripping your pillow tight

[Chorus] Exit light Enter night Take my hand We're off to Never Never-land

[Guitar Solo]

[Interlude] Now I lay me down to sleep (Now I lay me down to sleep) Pray the lord my soul to keep (Pray the lord my soul to keep) And If I die before I wake (If I die before I wake) Pray the lord my soul to take (Pray the lord my soul to take)

[Bridge] Hush, little baby, don't say a word And never mind that noise you heard It's just the beast under your bed In your closet, in your head

[Chorus] Exit light Enter night Grain of sand Exit light Enter night Take my hand We're off to Never Never-land

[Interlude] Come on people Hey yeah, oh oh yeah

[Outro] We're off to never never-land Take my hand We're off to never never-land Take my hand We're off to never never-land

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Post by kruczek »

Tarean wrote: post #72
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well since you can't make sharing of personal data a prerequisite for using a service unless it can be shown that data is actually necessary for the operation of the service it could be argued that this follows.

A service could offer an ad-free version for a fee.

If you provide a free service which is only accessible after you give permission to data processing, then that permission is not freely given and thus invalid (as long as such processing is not strictly necessary to provide the service) - see Article 7 and Recital 43.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Post by StreamBright »

IdiocyInAction wrote: post #7

As an EU citizen, I hope large portions of the internet will just block us. A couple of days without YouTube, Wikipedia and other services would create sufficient outrage to put pressure on the EU for introducing these idiotic laws. I mean, GDPR is bad enough for start ups, but Article 13?

>> GDPR is bad enough for start ups

What?? I have maned to full GDPR compliant product in several startups. What am I doing wrong?

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