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Longevity and anti-aging research: ‘Prime time for an impact on the globe’

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Re: Longevity and anti-aging research: ‘Prime time for an impact on the globe’

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If we can cure aging, then overpopulation will become an even larger problem than it already is. I would propose to only make anti-aging treatments available to people who haven't procreated yet and on condition they get sterilised at the same time.

Provided it doesn't reduce sex drive, sign me up!

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I'm still not sure if SENS should stay non-profit. It produced great results, it would get much more money if it would convert to a for profit company. At the same time it's important to keep the control near Aubrey de Grey, as he has a great track record of staying focused.

Non-profit doesn't mean they can't make money - just that they can't outfunnel it to shareholders/owners. Whether they would get more research funding from accepting investment instead of donations or if the mission would survive is a separate topic.

The main goal of going for a for profit company would be to increase funding. It's sad that Vitalik Buterin had to be the biggest donation giver when there are so many people much richer than him (and with shorter expected remaining lifespan).

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That's also the only thing that keeps our population in check. Let's see how we handle the incoming retirement issues, that'll give us a good indication (less workers, more retired people pretty much everywhere in the west, peaking in the next few decades). Living long won't help much if it just means more people consuming our limited natural resources and weighting on our social infrastructure. At any rate most coun…

Don't worry, poor people will still age and die.

Do you realistically think that it will not be worth to scale the solution?

Many medications stay expensive because not big enough number of people are affected. Also don't think U.S. only: how do you stop people from going to China to get the cheap (but well tested) copy of a medication?

Re: Longevity and anti-aging research: ‘Prime time for an impact on the globe’

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"Prime time for an impact" is kind of an ironic title IMHO. People already live quite long, so it takes a long time for longevity to take any significant effect. If a 20yo man became immortal today, he will be 100 in 2099. Who knows what kind of world we'll be living in then? My point is : longevity is such a slow motion process that its impact on society is not as relevant as the pace of technology in other fields.

Having a treatment that allows 20 year olds to live healthily to 120 likely helps the contemporary 85 year olds to live a few more years without being dependent on other people. Ageing populations are a huge problem in many first world countries.

Not really. What you're talking about works with solutions that are minimizing the damages building up in your body, but Audrey is specifically researching repairing the damages.

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And not climate change? In my mind's model of the future we're going to die within 50 years, this research is useless when the infinitely aged doesn't have clean water to drink.

If "old people" weren't sure they would die within the next 30 years anyway, then perhaps they would actually start caring about the planet.

As an "old person" this feels personal. What evidence do you have that supports such a claim for "old people"?

Re: Longevity and anti-aging research: ‘Prime time for an impact on the globe’

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"Prime time for an impact" is kind of an ironic title IMHO. People already live quite long, so it takes a long time for longevity to take any significant effect. If a 20yo man became immortal today, he will be 100 in 2099. Who knows what kind of world we'll be living in then? My point is : longevity is such a slow motion process that its impact on society is not as relevant as the pace of technology in other fields.

Would anti aging cure mental deficiencies that occur with aging. We lose our ability to learn the more we age. I'd much rather be able to learn like an 18 year old for my while life and die at 70 then be a senile man and live till 100

Yes, actually companies trying to cure Alzheimer disease started as research in SENS.

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If "old people" weren't sure they would die within the next 30 years anyway, then perhaps they would actually start caring about the planet.

As an "old person" this feels personal. What evidence do you have that supports such a claim for "old people"?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/234314/global-warming-age-gap-y...

Only 29% of Americans over 55 think climate change will pose a serious threat in their lifetime :(

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So, a bit like now, then?

Not really, because rich people today don't live longer than average people. But imagine a world where we have, for example, 100-120 year old rulers while the average people live 70-80 years.

Round here, Glasgow, Scotland, areas that are practically walking distance apart can have the same disparity in life expectancy as your futurology may suggest. [https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/men-in-glas...]

That's an extreme example, and the figures have moved since that article was published, but currently a wealthy citizen of Scotland can expect an extra 25% life expectancy compared to a citizen raised in relative poverty.

Re: Longevity and anti-aging research: ‘Prime time for an impact on the globe’

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As an "old person" this feels personal. What evidence do you have that supports such a claim for "old people"?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/234314/global-warming-age-gap-y... Only 29% of Americans over 55 think climate change will pose a serious threat in their lifetime :(

That's a cherry-picked stat if I ever saw one. In context of this thread you seem to be equating that with "think climate change is a problem that needs to be addressed", which is an entirely different question. Most of us don't want to see our kids lives ruined.

In fact, the headline stat of that linked survey is "56% of Americans over 55 worry a great deal about global warming".

Re: Longevity and anti-aging research: ‘Prime time for an impact on the globe’

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Advances against aging are great, but they also call for advances in finances for the aged. With every advance in medicine, your chances of outliving your money go up as well. Better feed the pig!

What are you talking about? If people live longer, healthier lives, then they can work a lot longer.

In case anyone is still reading this, I'd like to add to this. Think about humans in terms of corporate employees. A single human in today's society costs an absolute fortune to raise to adulthood in resources. It takes a lot of investment by society and the parents both to have the child, then to educate it. It takes many years of education to turn the child into a citizen. It takes more education (college) to turn the citizen into a highly productive one. Then, assuming all goes well, they go into the workforce and then there's a lot of ramp-up time, gaining expertise, etc. If they go the postdoc degree route, that's more time. Even worse, look at all the training/education needed for specialized doctors and surgeons. People aren't usually really productive until they're 25-30 years old. Then they only have so many decades until they're too feeble to really contribute a lot, and during that time they're expected to have kids of their own, which is basically a second job. (Even worse, women need to have those kids in their 20s-30s, which is exactly the wrong time career-wise.)

In short, the actual overhead needed to produce useful citizens in today's complex society is enormous, relative to the total lifespan of that person.

It wasn't a problem in the hunter-gatherer days because we didn't need much education to learn some simple non-written language, nor much training to go throw a spear and kill some animals and cook them. Things are very different now.

Extending useful and healthy human lifespans would change that equation, and be a huge boon for modern society. Just look at how many women end up postponing having children, or giving up on it altogether, because it just doesn't fit in with a high-paying career. As a result, developed nations are seeing negative population growth, which isn't sustainable.

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