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Show HN: Songcraft – Online Songwriting Platform and Guitar Tab Builder

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Re: Show HN: Songcraft – Online Songwriting Platform and Guitar Tab Builder

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Post by gabergg »

lhorie wrote: post #29

Any plans for supporting standard notation?

That’s a great question. I held off on tackling standard notation because there are some existing solutions out there for composing standard notation. I decided to focus first on what seemed like an unmet need in the space.

That being said, I plan to bring in standard notation as an option after adding timing control. I think Songcraft could do some amazing things with conversion between tabs and standard notation, lead sheet generation, full play throughs, etc. All that is feasible, and I’m excited to get to that point!

Re: Show HN: Songcraft – Online Songwriting Platform and Guitar Tab Builder

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Post by costcopizza »

JamCult wrote: post #4

This is a huge unmet need in the market. I have over 300 guitar parts recorded into iOS Music Memos, which does a decent job of automating the break out of chords played but provides no way to build lyrics on top, note the tabs (which is HUGE, because the next day I always get foggy on how to play what I recorded and a month later have no idea...) Excited to give this a red hot go!

As frustrating as it is, you'll be amazed at how much you improve by learning things purely by ear.

Plug in some good headphones and get after it.

Re: Show HN: Songcraft – Online Songwriting Platform and Guitar Tab Builder

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Post by this2shallPass »

gabergg wrote: post #12
underdown wrote: post #11

App seems extremely well thought out from first look, however, how do i actually play a song back?

Entire song playback isn't live yet, but it's coming! It's a really important feature to me, and I want to get it right. I could enable it in a very simple form, but I think it will be much more useful if I can ship it with powerful tempo/timing control. Thanks for checking it out!

Thanks for making this! This was my first questions as well. Can you ship the very simple form, and later ship the more robust version?

Re: Show HN: Songcraft – Online Songwriting Platform and Guitar Tab Builder

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Post by xster »

How do you address the market of 30-something hobbyist with kids and jobs etc who might have short spurs of creativity followed by very long inactive periods. They might want to pay to use all the features and become good with the tool for sporadic use but might be turned off to the idea of paying for months of the account being dormant. A one time price for an online license like Propellerhead Reason seems sensible.

Re: Show HN: Songcraft – Online Songwriting Platform and Guitar Tab Builder

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Post by gabergg »

this2shallPass wrote: post #33
gabergg wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Entire song playback isn't live yet, but it's coming! It's a really important feature to me, and I want to get it right. I could enable it in a very simple form, but I think it will be much more useful if I can ship it with powerful tempo/timing control. Thanks for checking it out!

Thanks for making this! This was my first questions as well. Can you ship the very simple form, and later ship the more robust version?

I actually might do that. It's been the top feature request of the day. I'll look into it this week and see if I can ship something useful to tide us all over until I can improve it.

Re: Show HN: Songcraft – Online Songwriting Platform and Guitar Tab Builder

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Post by hodder »

You are the man.

This is fantastic. Can't wait to see how this project progresses.

Some random suggestions:

Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see the ability to add chords outside of the scale. Let's say I want to play an E major chord in an A Minor progression due to a harmonic minor substitution. Is that possible with this tool? It would be cool to be able to add common substitutions or completely random chords too, perhaps in a separate box.

It might also be cool to see the roman numerals along with the chords in the progressions or chord box, but that might be too cluttered.

Regardless, I am an instant fan of this. Great work.

Re: Show HN: Songcraft – Online Songwriting Platform and Guitar Tab Builder

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Post by gabergg »

iamsaitam wrote: post #35

Out of curiosity, what are the chord progression suggestions based on?

The progressions from the generator are based on manipulations of common patterns in scale degrees.

The chord recommendations in the editor are predicted from a recurrent neural network.

There are lot of improvements that I'm excited to make in both of these systems!

Re: Show HN: Songcraft – Online Songwriting Platform and Guitar Tab Builder

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Post by gabergg »

xster wrote: post #34

How do you address the market of 30-something hobbyist with kids and jobs etc who might have short spurs of creativity followed by very long inactive periods. They might want to pay to use all the features and become good with the tool for sporadic use but might be turned off to the idea of paying for months of the account being dormant. A one time price for an online license like Propellerhead Reason seems sensible.

I wanted to launch with a simple pricing model, but I'm working on developing a longer term (annual/lifetime) plan to sit alongside the monthly one. I think that's an important point.

A user could also disable their subscription for longer periods of inactivity, but that's obviously not ideal for a regular but infrequent project (e.g. a couple days per month).

Re: Show HN: Songcraft – Online Songwriting Platform and Guitar Tab Builder

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Post by ry-n »

xster wrote: post #34

How do you address the market of 30-something hobbyist with kids and jobs etc who might have short spurs of creativity followed by very long inactive periods. They might want to pay to use all the features and become good with the tool for sporadic use but might be turned off to the idea of paying for months of the account being dormant. A one time price for an online license like Propellerhead Reason seems sensible.

This. And somewhat discouraged by the seemingly imaginary 44% discount on the pricing page. Has 8.95/mo ever been the price? Is it going to be? Is this just a permanent gimmick? Without any details or explanation it seems disingenuous.

I also can't find any info about exporting data for backups or what happens to data if a subscription is paused for a period of time. Since it isn't called out my default assumption is that data is trapped and lost respectively.

Generally looks like something I'd love to use but would be great to clarify those points.

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