Scary how an ISP can just up and decide to block a website for hosting what they think is offensive. I guess it's the norm for China and Russia. What's scarier are the people cheering this as if it's a win.
4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video
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#52I think 4chan has gone too far on this one. They should ban neonazi propaganda. There is a big difference between allowing non-PC talk and allowing outright neonazi/terrorist propaganda. Besides, it is ruining the experience on all boards for all people.
You're either for free speech or you're not, and as much as I would like to have some absolute reference of good and bad, it's all culturally defined. I mean, I think it's horrible, but I can envision lots of functional and useful societies that are horrible based on my principles (how would you like to to be part of a hize mind?), but that doesn't make them bad in an absolute sense. Scaled down, freedom of speech is…
Yeah, free speech doesnt mean "anything goes". We as a society have made the determination that there are categories of speech that are harmful, and as such are illegal. You cant libel, you cant slander, you cant shout "Fire" in a crowded theater. Speech that advocates for the supression or termination of other people based on their race is "Hate speech" and also illegal. There is neither value nor need for complete and total 'free speech'.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're either for free speech or you're not, and as much as I would like to have some absolute reference of good and bad, it's all culturally defined. I mean, I think it's horrible, but I can envision lots of functional and useful societies that are horrible based on my principles (how would you like to to be part of a hize mind?), but that doesn't make them bad in an absolute sense. Scaled down, freedom of speech is…
>You're either for free speech or you're not Absolutism is poison.
Absolutism isn't an "ism" in the sense you think it is.
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#54It makes me sad how 4chan has largely been reduced to a place where racists and bigots and sexists hang out. When I was a teenager, it felt like the racists in /b/ were doing it ironically (maybe I was wrong?), but now it seems like a place to spout off white-nationalist nonsense, and whenever its called out the people fall back on "it's just a joke bro!"
How can you be ironically racist, and why is that better than racism?
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#55Seems kinda easy to block niche sites like *chan for hosting the video. Politicians and regulators can stand up and say they "did something." When they block Facebook for streaming it live, then I'll be impressed.
This. But we both know it will never happen.
Because it shouldn’t. Why let a terrorist organization not only get away with a shooting, but also get away with taking down any service (which removes content like this swiftly) too?
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#56So facebook live streamed the video and also gives the bad guys a massive platform. Will they be banned?
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#57I watched this "illegal" video. And not only do I think it should not be illegal, I think watching it should be almost mandatory ! Package it with a safety curriculum, and people should watch it to know what to do. In particular: For the most part, those people in the video who ran, lived, those who tried to drop low, or froze up, died. (There were a couple of exceptions.) Additionally, one guy tried to attack the sh…
You could have a point; as a reference, airline passengers reputedly put up a lot more fight against hijackers post-9/11. I don't want to watch the video- but perhaps a similar sort of shift in mindset could be brought about for these kinds of attacks, whether that be more running or more teaming up to fight back.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're either for free speech or you're not, and as much as I would like to have some absolute reference of good and bad, it's all culturally defined. I mean, I think it's horrible, but I can envision lots of functional and useful societies that are horrible based on my principles (how would you like to to be part of a hize mind?), but that doesn't make them bad in an absolute sense. Scaled down, freedom of speech is…
You can be for free speech while also unwilling to host certain speech on a platform you own & operate. I can support your right to protest, while also not permitting you to do it in my living room.
This is about government censorship, not forcing private web sites to host the video.
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#59Seems kinda easy to block niche sites like *chan for hosting the video. Politicians and regulators can stand up and say they "did something." When they block Facebook for streaming it live, then I'll be impressed.
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#60I think 4chan has gone too far on this one. They should ban neonazi propaganda. There is a big difference between allowing non-PC talk and allowing outright neonazi/terrorist propaganda. Besides, it is ruining the experience on all boards for all people.
You're either for free speech or you're not, and as much as I would like to have some absolute reference of good and bad, it's all culturally defined. I mean, I think it's horrible, but I can envision lots of functional and useful societies that are horrible based on my principles (how would you like to to be part of a hize mind?), but that doesn't make them bad in an absolute sense. Scaled down, freedom of speech is…
> You're either for free speech or you're not,
and
> it's all culturally defined.
contradict each other completely, right?
Everyone is for free speech, it just everyone has a different idea of what that means (as you say)