>video gets livestreamed on facebook
>countries block 4chan
makes total sense
4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video
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#22The instance reminds me of the horrible ISIS beheading videos they used to publish.
I don't remember what social platforms and governments did about those because I made it a point to avoid them so there was no chance of seeing the horror.
Honestly, who needs the shit popping back in their head during any random moment?
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#23Just a thought experiment: so it's after 9/11. Nobody will show a video of the planes flying into the towers. The only place you can watch the video is ISISchan.org, and there are news articles about how many countries banning ISISchan.org & how problematic ISISchan.org is (don't go to ISISchan.org, kids!). Now instead of watching a clip on CNN you've got people absorbing all the extremist propaganda on ISISchan.
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#24Seems kinda easy to block niche sites like *chan for hosting the video. Politicians and regulators can stand up and say they "did something." When they block Facebook for streaming it live, then I'll be impressed.
This. But we both know it will never happen.
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#25I think 4chan has gone too far on this one. They should ban neonazi propaganda. There is a big difference between allowing non-PC talk and allowing outright neonazi/terrorist propaganda. Besides, it is ruining the experience on all boards for all people.
You are mixing up 8chan and 4chan.
As somebody who has - embarrassingly - been on 4chan nearly every day since 2004, trust me, the parent post's assertion is a perfectly arguable one.
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#26I think 4chan has gone too far on this one. They should ban neonazi propaganda. There is a big difference between allowing non-PC talk and allowing outright neonazi/terrorist propaganda. Besides, it is ruining the experience on all boards for all people.
Isn't their policy basically "anything goes"? Locking things down seems counter to their goals. I know they have "some" moderation in "some" parts of their site, but moderating too much will just drive people away since many are there for "free speech" reasons.
I think they'd be happier with the policy of, "if you don't like it, leave" than trying to appease others.
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#27I’m honestly wondering what will happen when that kind of content starts spreading on less centralized networks, such as scuttlebutt, or on IPFS, via Mastodon instances, or others. Things can become bad for decentralization advocates if 4chan trolls start to use those networks to share and protect such content from being blocked by governments.
Working as designed, I'd imagine? It would be naive to think that wasn't a foreseen use case. Edit: I'm a so-called decentralization advocate and I'd add on to this to say that the big problem we have right now is that people don't think we need decentralization at all. Something like this might change some minds.
> Working as designed, I'd imagine? It would be naive to think that wasn't a foreseen use case.
Sure, from a technical point of view. But governments and the general public won’t necessarily see a lack of control over the content as something good or even legal. I expect to see some clash and fight over those questions if a significant number of 4chan/8chan users start to migrate to decentralized platforms.
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#28Just a thought experiment: so it's after 9/11. Nobody will show a video of the planes flying into the towers. The only place you can watch the video is ISISchan.org, and there are news articles about how many countries banning ISISchan.org & how problematic ISISchan.org is (don't go to ISISchan.org, kids!). Now instead of watching a clip on CNN you've got people absorbing all the extremist propaganda on ISISchan.
> ISISchan.org
No need for that, 4chan is a free for all. It's where I saw most ISIS execution videos.
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#29I watched this "illegal" video. And not only do I think it should not be illegal, I think watching it should be almost mandatory!
Package it with a safety curriculum, and people should watch it to know what to do. In particular: For the most part, those people in the video who ran, lived, those who tried to drop low, or froze up, died. (There were a couple of exceptions.)
Additionally, one guy tried to attack the shooter and was killed. But it was just one guy, everyone else was too scared. If instead they had all attacked, some would have died, but not as many.
(It sounds like I'm blaming them, I'm not.)
There are a lot of safety lessons in that video, and people should watch it.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Alternatively, I feel like seeing the plain video without commentary would take away a lot of the glamor from these events. See the mood change of Black Mirror ep01 after he actually fucks the pig. (from a USian perspective) Instead, we let the media setup a vibrant tradeoff of emotional tourism versus steering away from direct confrontation. Just enough so that indulging can be written off as mourning rather than th…
I’m sorry that’s just naive and not at all borne out by history. When executions were a public spectacle (as in Tyburn) they were a huge party. People laughed and drank and cheered as people were hanged or drawn and quartered. I think you underestimate just how turned on a lot of people are by watching people suffer and die. We need to think very carefully before we empower people to engage in thst economy again.
I kind of addressed that in my second paragraph (which maybe I hadn't gotten in before delay). I think we're already 80% down the slope of engaging in that economy.
I agree with people's zeal w.r.t public executions, but isn't a key ingredient of the social validation is that it is a "justified" killing?