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4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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I’m honestly wondering what will happen when that kind of content starts spreading on less centralized networks, such as scuttlebutt, or on IPFS, via Mastodon instances, or others. Things can become bad for decentralization advocates if 4chan trolls start to use those networks to share and protect such content from being blocked by governments.

Working as designed, I'd imagine? It would be naive to think that wasn't a foreseen use case.

Edit: I'm a so-called decentralization advocate and I'd add on to this to say that the big problem we have right now is that people don't think we need decentralization at all. Something like this might change some minds.

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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I think 4chan has gone too far on this one. They should ban neonazi propaganda. There is a big difference between allowing non-PC talk and allowing outright neonazi/terrorist propaganda. Besides, it is ruining the experience on all boards for all people.

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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post #9

I’m honestly wondering what will happen when that kind of content starts spreading on less centralized networks, such as scuttlebutt, or on IPFS, via Mastodon instances, or others. Things can become bad for decentralization advocates if 4chan trolls start to use those networks to share and protect such content from being blocked by governments.

That is not as big of a problem. The problem is primarily recruitment, not the content itself. Recruitment happens on centralized platforms where susceptible people can be reached and brainwashed.

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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I think 4chan has gone too far on this one. They should ban neonazi propaganda. There is a big difference between allowing non-PC talk and allowing outright neonazi/terrorist propaganda. Besides, it is ruining the experience on all boards for all people.

You are mixing up 8chan and 4chan.

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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post #5

I’m wondering if the NZ government have a belief that maybe the shooter’s ability to livestream the shooting increased his desire to commit the shooting in the first place.

Alternatively, I feel like seeing the plain video without commentary would take away a lot of the glamor from these events. See the mood change of Black Mirror ep01 after he actually fucks the pig. (from a USian perspective) Instead, we let the media setup a vibrant tradeoff of emotional tourism versus steering away from direct confrontation. Just enough so that indulging can be written off as mourning rather than th…

I’m sorry that’s just naive and not at all borne out by history. When executions were a public spectacle (as in Tyburn) they were a huge party. People laughed and drank and cheered as people were hanged or drawn and quartered. I think you underestimate just how turned on a lot of people are by watching people suffer and die. We need to think very carefully before we empower people to engage in thst economy again.

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Pretty soon it will be available everywhere. How many sites will they block?

Probably everywhere necessary. The snuff video has been adjudged obscene, the way the NZ law works it was always obscene, the censor just confirms it. In practice if you access something like this and once you realise what you're seeing you stop watching then the government isn't going to come after you, but if you share it, keep a copy etc etc you have broken the law enough that you're likely in trouble.

Because it's illegal to have a copy or to publish it the ISPs are likely liable for having transient copies in their routers (these laws were written for film), the ISPs chose to do this initially purely as a public service but now I suspect that they are likely legally liable if they don't make a good faith effort to block these sites (remember ISPs can IP block and DNS block, they can't edit an SSL query on the fly, so everything at that IP will be blocked, if you're hosting your web site along with a snuff film archive I don't have a lot of sympathy for you).

A couple of people have already been in court for sharing it, one is an actual nazi, the other alt-right who may also be an accomplice.

Several people have also lost their jobs for sharing it at work or just plain accessing it at work (this is an action by the companies, not the govt).

There's no real reason why anyone needs to watch this snuff video, except maybe the police themselves as evidence.

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Soon drugs will be everywhere so why stop these two drug dealers? how many drug dealers will they arrest?

Selling drugs should be legal though, so I'm not sure what you're saying.

AtlasLion is saying the fact the government "can't" or "shouldn't" ban drugs hasn't stopped them putting a lot of effort and resources into trying to.

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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I think 4chan has gone too far on this one. They should ban neonazi propaganda. There is a big difference between allowing non-PC talk and allowing outright neonazi/terrorist propaganda. Besides, it is ruining the experience on all boards for all people.

You are mixing up 8chan and 4chan.

8chan is much much worse, but 4chan is certainly infested with that stuff as well
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