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> I disagree with their beliefs, but to me, committing genocide is a few steps above teaching that homosexuality is immoral. Don’t mistake lack of opportunity for lack of will. Nutty ideologies are ‘harmless’ till they have an opportunity to act on their nuttiness.
How is a hypothetical measured on the same level as an actual?
Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun
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Maybe not straight up misinformed, but from my experience, many Westerns know very little about China's history and how it affects their outlook and actions. One reason Chinese rulers crack down hard on religious cults because they have a history of sowing widespread chaos and death if not kept in check: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion#Death_toll Led by a guy who claimed to be Jesus Christ's brother.…
I read quite a bit of Chinese history but it’s true many westerners haven’t. Your comment seems a little off the mark considering the content of the article you shared. > because they have a history of sowing widespread chaos and death if not kept in check From the article: >The Taiping Rebellion began in the southern province of Guangxi _when local officials launched a campaign of religious persecution against a mil…
Chinese historiography sees China's periodic breakup and reconstitution as part of a cycle, where both changes are demanded by the times. The chaos of a decrepit state or the chaos of a country split into warring regions are both equally intolerable.
However, hard experience has also taught the Chinese that every one of these struggles cause the common people to suffer greatly and for millions to die (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan_Rebellion#Death_toll , although there's some debate here)
> Not saying Xiuquan was right but it seems their main crime, as with all failed revolts, was losing.
Yes, the crime was losing—if they had managed to overthrow the Qing and establish a stable state then they would be seen as possessing the 'Mandate of Heaven'. But if you're going to rebel, lose and take 30 million people with you, fatally weakening the Qing state in the process and setting it up for more colonization by the West and Japan—what was actually accomplished by this enormous cost of human suffering?
It's not religion per se that the state fears most, just any source of authority that can inspire the common people to rebel against it. Communism certainly worked well recently.
The West has had the fortune of recent history from the post-Renaissance era being a time of generally increasing standards of living and political liberation. From the French to the American to the Glorious Revolutions, they are seen as successful struggles against backwards tradition and monarchy.
China on the other hand has both the blessing and curse of remembering 2000+ years of both cycles of prosperity as well as collapse.
Re: Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun
#93I often see it advertised at Chinese restaurants around town. Whenever I ask the proprietors if it part of Falun Gong, they all claim not to understand, or they just say no. I can't tell if they actually know what it is and don't want to admit it, or if they legitimately don't know.
Whenever I ask the proprietors if it part of Falun Gong, they all claim not to understand, or they just say no. I can't tell if they actually know what it is and don't want to admit it, or if they legitimately don't know. Don't know, don't care, they got a restaurant to run! [1] They're probably just getting past your question and getting onto the next task. My wife grew up in mainland China. She thinks of them as wa…
Re: Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun
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They know. It is a strategic and extremely carefully phrased denial.
They probably don't have the time to waste on such a conversation/explanation.