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Re: Google terminated our startup's developer account – what do we do?

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Post by jshowa3 »

JohnFen wrote: post #122
jshowa3 wrote: post #15

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That's what happens when you build a store architecture where its the only way to release an app. When stores were introduced offering built-in DRM, not allowing native apps, and only providing a license to use the software, it was only a matter of time before these things happened. Having no control or ownership of what you put on your machine was a death sentence. Problem is, people love stores like Steam and frequ…

> That's what happens when you build a store architecture where its the only way to release an app. Fortunately, with Android, the Play Store is not the only way to release an app.

True. But that's the only place where people usually download apps. It's very rare that a company will release an android package and it requires changing security permissions, at the very least, temporarily to install it outside the play store. Also, the play store offers a built in revenue model + exposure that selling directly from a site would be difficult to generate. I guess you can chalk it up to the general ignorance of the public regarding security and non-app store installation.

Re: Google terminated our startup's developer account – what do we do?

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

Lich wrote: post #61
jshowa3 wrote: post #15

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That's what happens when you build a store architecture where its the only way to release an app. When stores were introduced offering built-in DRM, not allowing native apps, and only providing a license to use the software, it was only a matter of time before these things happened. Having no control or ownership of what you put on your machine was a death sentence. Problem is, people love stores like Steam and frequ…

I own over nearly 100 games on Steam, mostly bought on sales. Despite the tons of titles I bought, I miss the experience of actually owning a copy of the game, along with the box and manuals that came with it. More importantly though, I think it's scary that Valve can one day decide to totally ban a user from their purchased game because they didn't like the behavior or actions of an account holder (e.g. cheating in…

Or you initiate a chargeback over an illegitimate or otherwise dispute on charging or on bad claim of product.

Then they nuke your whole account.

Re: Google terminated our startup's developer account – what do we do?

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #162
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #159

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Whoa! Where can I read more about this? If there aren't any news articles on the topic (in which case, this is a prime story opportunity for some enterprising journalist/blogger), can you link to the forums?

It's called flagging which youtube made it more prominent by "youtube heroes". https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/pavyp8/youtube-co... However you can just go to any app in the playstore and flag it. If you have a "high trust" then google algorithm can take it down with just one flag. I have high points on google maps and it's scary how my edits for even embassy and consulates are approved instantly: https://…

Thank you for this.

Re: Google terminated our startup's developer account – what do we do?

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Post by perl4ever »

sundvor wrote: post #124
perl4ever wrote: post #118

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Perhaps some simple form of justice system, as has been developed in many societies over centuries?

There is a justice system, except the only penalty available is the death one.

As they say, it should be as simple as possible, but no simpler.

Re: Google terminated our startup's developer account – what do we do?

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Post by dcbadacd »

nikofeyn wrote: post #169
teddyh wrote: post #125

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Neither does “be evil”. Don’t anthropomorphize the paperclip maximizer.

i have no idea what that means.

This game explains the paperclip maximizer: http://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/

Re: Google terminated our startup's developer account – what do we do?

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Post by teddyh »

dcbadacd wrote: post #175
nikofeyn wrote: post #169

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i have no idea what that means.

This game explains the paperclip maximizer: http://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/

No? Not as far as I can see. This is better:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence#Paper...

Re: Google terminated our startup's developer account – what do we do?

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Post by dcbadacd »

teddyh wrote: post #176
dcbadacd wrote: post #175

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This game explains the paperclip maximizer: http://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/

No? Not as far as I can see. This is better: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence#Paper...

You haven't played it long enough to see how it becomes the paperclip maximizer, I posted the link to the game because everyone can find the Wikipedia link.

Re: Google terminated our startup's developer account – what do we do?

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Post by mixmastamyk »

jedberg wrote: post #60
josteink wrote: post #53

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I literally know zero people using Google Cloud. Everyone is on Amazon or Azure. I can count the times google has burnt my hand though...

I know one person that is using Google Cloud for his company. He used to work at YouTube, so it's very handy for him since it works very similarly. But otherwise I don't know anyone using it for any production workloads.

Isn't it much cheaper? Seems that would be attractive to many.

I'm surprised to hear the Google experience is so poor and risky that no one is using it for fear of losing everything.

Re: Google terminated our startup's developer account – what do we do?

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Post by mixmastamyk »

ProAm wrote: post #47
noonespecial wrote: post #16

They seem to think they have plenty of developers to burn through like this as if they were some sort of consumable. But if every developer who has been banned can get other developers banned just by association, this will start slow and then move like an epidemic. They don't know it yet but unchecked this will seem to them to instantly become an existential threat to the play store. There's nothing like a geometric…

> They don't know it yet but unchecked this will seem to them to instantly become an existential threat to the play store Unfortunately when there are realistically only 2 app stores, and considering Apple devices cannot use the Google Play Store it doesn't matter. Google can do what it wants, just like Apple can do what it wants as for there is no real consequence. There will always be another developer willing to t…

He's not saying developers will stop choosing the Play store, rather that the Play store will have banned everyone that would potentially use it, as associations explode.
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