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Re: Google hit with €1.5B fine from EU over advertising

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This is not for AdSense on Google.com, this is for third-party sites with a search feature showing search ads to their own customers. A third-party site who wants to show ads in their own search results could partner with Google to include AdSense ads in their own results. The Google contract originally required exclusivity, and then was changed to require Google ads to be more prominent. In the context of the market…

As long as the punishment for the crime is less than the crime itself, crime will perpetuate. If you steal 1.000,00€ from a bank, they don't fine you 1€. No. They send you to jail for years.

Exactly. Why should corporations get off easy when we don't?

Re: Google hit with €1.5B fine from EU over advertising

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As long as the punishment for the crime is less than the crime itself, crime will perpetuate. If you steal 1.000,00€ from a bank, they don't fine you 1€. No. They send you to jail for years.

Exactly. Why should corporations get off easy when we don't?

Why shouldn't we all get off easy (or easier)?

Re: Google hit with €1.5B fine from EU over advertising

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I was wondering where funds from such a fine go: "Fines imposed on companies found in breach of EU antitrust rules are paid into the general EU budget. This money is not earmarked for particular expenses, but Member States' contributions to the EU budget for the following year are reduced accordingly. The fines therefore help to finance the EU and reduce the burden for taxpayers."

"The fines therefore help to finance the EU and reduce the burden for taxpayers."

reduce burden for taxpayers... yeah. how? i don't see my taxes dropping because ppl get fined >.> even if the amount of fines would raise consistently by 1000% still i would pay the same taxes, guarantee you that.

Re: Google hit with €1.5B fine from EU over advertising

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The price of using Google.com, YouTube.com, Gmail.com and many many other services, for free.

And I thought I was "paying" for that by having 15 minutes long "ads" thrown at me every for every 5 minutes of content I watch. YouTube seems to be getting really bad in that regard, even worse than TV.

That's not quite right.

While you can get ads that are 15 minutes long they can always be skipped within 5 seconds. That's not even comparable to television.

Re: Google hit with €1.5B fine from EU over advertising

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post #35

I was wondering where funds from such a fine go: "Fines imposed on companies found in breach of EU antitrust rules are paid into the general EU budget. This money is not earmarked for particular expenses, but Member States' contributions to the EU budget for the following year are reduced accordingly. The fines therefore help to finance the EU and reduce the burden for taxpayers."

That happens to most fines, everywhere. In case this is in accusation of corrupt practices aimed to increase the EU budget, note: - Fines account for - The EU budget is relatively small compared to national governments' budgets. EU: 150 billion, Germany + France + UK = 5 Trillion (5,000 billion). That's leaving out 24 smaller economies. National governments have a lot of input in the decision-making process and could…

> the commissioner responsible (Vestager) is somewhat likely to leave the commission after the May elections anyway, because of another pro-competition decision

Nah, EU commissioners are very unlikely to stay in their post when the Commission changes anyway, regardless of performance. That's because they are an expression of national governments' priorities at the time of commission composition (every government gets 1 commissioner, and usually tries to place it in an area it is particularly interested in - which obviously changes when a government changes "colour").

This has become even more true ever since EuroParliament obtained a meaningful vote on approving or rejecting the Commission. Because the Commission President is now a political figure expressed by the party with the most votes in EuroElections, it is almost inevitably bound to change every 5 years, when Parliament changes; when the President changes, the whole Commission usually changes as well. I fully expect this to happen this year.

In the past, Commissions would change on a different schedule, without any real vote, and it was mostly seen as an administrative body anyway. This meant a President would not change until it effectively resigned or lost the trust of all national governments, which in turn allowed other commissioners to stay on if they were already working together well, with EUParliament just rubber-stamping. This changed after the corruption scandal of 1999.

Re: Google hit with €1.5B fine from EU over advertising

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Exactly. Why should corporations get off easy when we don't?

Why shouldn't we all get off easy (or easier)?

Because then, like corporations do, we won't correct our behavior, we'll just accept the punishment as an occasional cost.

Re: Google hit with €1.5B fine from EU over advertising

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post #35

I was wondering where funds from such a fine go: "Fines imposed on companies found in breach of EU antitrust rules are paid into the general EU budget. This money is not earmarked for particular expenses, but Member States' contributions to the EU budget for the following year are reduced accordingly. The fines therefore help to finance the EU and reduce the burden for taxpayers."

"The fines therefore help to finance the EU and reduce the burden for taxpayers." reduce burden for taxpayers... yeah. how? i don't see my taxes dropping because ppl get fined >.> even if the amount of fines would raise consistently by 1000% still i would pay the same taxes, guarantee you that.

If you made the case that everything they said about where the fines go instead of budget is wrong, sure you would be correct. I would expect you to put forward an argument with a bit more substance than "taxes will never go down, I guarantee it" in that case, however.

Re: Google hit with €1.5B fine from EU over advertising

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post #161

This is not for AdSense on Google.com, this is for third-party sites with a search feature showing search ads to their own customers. A third-party site who wants to show ads in their own search results could partner with Google to include AdSense ads in their own results. The Google contract originally required exclusivity, and then was changed to require Google ads to be more prominent. In the context of the market…

Vestager said the fine had been calculated based on Google's online advertising revenue in Europe.

https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-google-margrethe-vest...

Re: Google hit with €1.5B fine from EU over advertising

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And I thought I was "paying" for that by having 15 minutes long "ads" thrown at me every for every 5 minutes of content I watch. YouTube seems to be getting really bad in that regard, even worse than TV.

That's not quite right. While you can get ads that are 15 minutes long they can always be skipped within 5 seconds. That's not even comparable to television.

I've gotten some 20+ seconds unskipable ads. That's the moment when I simply switched to MPV for watching youtube videos as the ads keep squeezing through every adblock filter I've tried once in a while.
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