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Volk Fi: Distributed network smartphone

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Re: Volk Fi: Distributed network smartphone

#81
post #20

This makes a bit more sense: "Every Volk phone has a SIM card slot and supports use on traditional LTE networks. However, a SIM is not necessary and the phone will always prioritize the Volk network first. The Volk network works as such: every Volk user gets a special router with their phone. The router acts as a wireless Qi charging pad also. The router connects to your existing internet via Ethernet or something si…

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Re: Volk Fi: Distributed network smartphone

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Specs for those having issues with the website:

Display: 6.2 inches, 1080 x 2280 pixels, 402ppi, Aspect Ratio: 19:9

Sensors: Fingerprint, Hall, Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Proximity, RGB Ambient Light Sensor, Electronic Compass, Sensor Hub

Ports: USB C, Support USB Audio, nano-SIM slot

Battery: 3700 mAh (non-removable)

Audio: Bottom-facing speaker, 3-microphone with noise cancellation, Support AANC, Dirac HD Sound®, Dirac Power Sound®

Vibration: OHaptic vibration motor

Connectivity: Volk Fi, LTE, WiFi, Bluetooth

Dimensions: 155.2 x 76.1 x 7.7 mm

Weight: 179g

Color: Midnight Black / Snow White, Anodized Aluminum & Glass

Operating System: Android

CPU: Snapdragon 845 (Octa-core, up to 2.5GHz)

GPU: Adreno 630

RAM: 4GB LPDDR4X

Storage: 64GB or 256GB UFS 2.1 2-LANE

Camera: Dual 16 x 16 MP, Auto-HDR, 4K resolution video at 30fps, 1080P resolution video at 60fps, LED Flash, Aperture: f/1.7

Re: Volk Fi: Distributed network smartphone

#84
post #20

This makes a bit more sense: "Every Volk phone has a SIM card slot and supports use on traditional LTE networks. However, a SIM is not necessary and the phone will always prioritize the Volk network first. The Volk network works as such: every Volk user gets a special router with their phone. The router acts as a wireless Qi charging pad also. The router connects to your existing internet via Ethernet or something si…

If a router isn't nearby, the phone will try to find another Volk phone to use as a hop, until it finally reaches a router.

If my volkfi phone is acting as a relay for someone else's phone to hop to an available router isn't that going to run my phone's battery down? That's not going to be a nice experience if I'm unlucky enough to be a relay for a lot of people.

Re: Volk Fi: Distributed network smartphone

#85

I like the idea, but I'm not sure how the abuse will work on those networks. There are two possible cases: 1. Volk data goes out via their gateway (proxied): They get access to your data. Their IPs get CloudFlare captchas all the time. (Like tor) 2. Volk data goes out from your router: You get to explain the CP access from your network. Your home IP gets CloudFlare captchas all the time. You get to monitor random peo…

Our approach at NYC Mesh is to give each donor of home internet a router which VPNs all mesh traffic through our ASN. This boosts privacy and neutrality for our mesh users, and protects transit donors from their ISP's interpretation of the traffic.

Re: Volk Fi: Distributed network smartphone

#86
post #35
post #5

I don’t get the invite model. Ask someone already invited to send you an invite? I guess it prevents spam reservations but I don’t have Facebook or twitter, so I guess I’m out of luck.

I was also curious, and found https://volkfi.com/whyinvite which has a constructive sounding heading > Why is Volk Fi invite-only followed by blather blather about the technology and then finally some invite-sounding text of > But, because Volk Fi is crowdsourced, it needs a certain user density in order to have full coverage and reliability which seems to run directly in contradiction to why one would want the syste…

I'm guessing so they don't get people signing up where there are no other users anywhere nearby, and then posting bad reviews when their device never connects to any other devices.

Re: Volk Fi: Distributed network smartphone

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being downvited because, whilst this is a clever sounding idea, unfortunately it doesn't work like that. The noise is random, so you can't modulate it because you can't predict what it will be. A probability distribution isn't enough; say you want to modulate by XORing with a random, uniformly distributed stream of zeros and ones. Knowing that distribution doesn't enable the receiver to extract the data. (Fun…

Could you... modulate the amplitude of the PD?

Amplitude is about power, that what you want to minimize. If you can affect the amplitude of the noise, that means your signal has high amplitude: you have a high signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and you already have won.

Re: Volk Fi: Distributed network smartphone

#89
post #72
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would your call be routed just via one single phone?

Are you going to send the message over more than one route? That doubles the required bandwidth over the entire mesh.

You could do something smarter with error correcting codes. Using a rateless code you split your message into an infinite number of chunks, then send these chunks out on your multiple paths, and then once enough chunks have been received you ACK each path. No bandwidth wasted.

I think specifically with voice it should be possible to send two chunks such that if they both arrive then you get your audio, and if only one arrives then you still get your audio but at a lower quality.

Re: Volk Fi: Distributed network smartphone

#90
post #35
post #5

I don’t get the invite model. Ask someone already invited to send you an invite? I guess it prevents spam reservations but I don’t have Facebook or twitter, so I guess I’m out of luck.

I was also curious, and found https://volkfi.com/whyinvite which has a constructive sounding heading > Why is Volk Fi invite-only followed by blather blather about the technology and then finally some invite-sounding text of > But, because Volk Fi is crowdsourced, it needs a certain user density in order to have full coverage and reliability which seems to run directly in contradiction to why one would want the syste…

Speaking of Bittorrent... This is a YC '19 company and...

https://igamerss.com/index.php/2019/03/19/here-are-the-85-st....

"Volk Wi-fi: Volk is making an Android smartphone with a free information plan, no service required. The co-founders say they’re utilizing long-range wi-fi to share connections and construct a community of telephones. Co-Founder Greg Hazel was the Chief Architect at Bittorrent, whereas co-founder Straya Markovic was the lead engineer at mesh messaging platform Firechat."

So yeah, they should know better.

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