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So now you have to carry an external HDD around with you and plug it in every time you want it to boot up?

Are you carrying around an iMac with you? If you are, the drive is the least of your issues.

You mean you dont? https://i.imgur.com/RUN11Hb.jpg

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I've felt this pain too. 2 years ago I bought a Mac mini (2014 model) off eBay for $340 mainly as a build machine for iOS binaries. It was the lowest end model which had a 5400rpm HDD in it and 4GB of RAM. It took ~3 minutes to get to a usable desktop. Opening XCode took long enough for me to go grab a coffee or scroll through Facebook. It was swapping like crazy. I honestly couldn't believe they were selling this co…

This isn't the config for Mac Mini in 2018 though? Unless you're talking about the earlier half of 2018 when the new Mac Mini hasn't been released yet.

Yeah, just that the base 2014 Mac Mini was being sold $500 new up until the point in 2018 when the new model came out. Even by 2016 and 2017 standards, 4GB 1600MHz DDR3 and 500GB 5400rpm spinning disk is abysmal.

I would expect the base model of any product (really the cheapest way to experience macOS without fiddling with VMs or hackintosh) would provide a usable experience and not one where you have to wait several minutes to open Chrome.

I could live with it mainly because I had another machine to go to while my 30m Unity build was running (and because I knew I was going to have to swap the HDD), but for a normal person who wants to browse the web and manage pictures, the $500 Mac Mini would have been an incredibly frustrating experience.

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To the parent's point... I'd recommend a hackintosh Intel NUC. I got blisters stuffing RAM SIMMs into daughter cards. I've agonized over IRQ choices for peripherals. I'm so over fiddling with my daily driver. I've got Audrinos and RPi projects for scratching that itch. Uncertainty over the keyboards is precisely why I postponed replacing my laptop. I'd probably use my iMac more if I could find a keyboard & trackpad c…

Have you seen https://bullettrain.com/products/express-keyboard-platform ? I have an older version of this and I love it.

I had not. Thank you!

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The CPU increases are welcome, but I was hoping for the rumored 6K displays. No space grey, no T2 chip, no Touchbar. Somehow they still sell the 1080 21" model for $1099.

No touch bar is a win IMHO. I'm not against it per se, but a soft `esc` was a mistake.

There should be a fingerprint sensor, though. Pairing that with the touchbar that nobody wanted in the MacBook Pros was a bad idea.

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Bought my iMac 7 years ago with 8GB as the default memory option and a 1TB fusion drive. And here we are, nearly a decade later. Still 8 GB in the newest models. Still 1 TB fusion drives. GPUs haven't even seemed to take a jump over last year's models.

8 GB of RAM are fine for basic tasks. However offering a spinning drive (and I include the Fusion drives in that category) is not. For any use case.

The 5400 RPM HDD in the abse 21.5" iMac will be unbearably slow, pretty much unusable from the first day and people not interested in technology won't have any idea why their new, shiny iMac performs that slow.

It's baffling to me that Apple seems to be fine with offering such abysmal performance. Reaching that price point certainly isn't worth compromising the user experience in such a significant way.

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I bought an iMac Pro (base model) last year. I see it as investing up front in an already upgraded machine, that I can now use for the next 10 years.

But Apple does not support macOS for most Macs that long. E.g. last year's Mojave does not support iMacs from before 2012. You may be lucky and they might support the iMac Pro a bit longer, but it is unlikely that you'll get an up-to-date secure OS for ten years. If they transition to ARM at some point, the lifetimes of Intel Macs may even be shorter.

To be fair, they support their computers for a long time and seemingly provide update as long as possible. My Late 2009 iMac still received 2017's High Sierra update.

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Both new Mac mini and 27" iMac have upgradeable RAM.

The 27" iMac used to have upgradable RAM, but the text for the new version says "configurable to 64 GB", not "upgradable" like it used to. I'd love to be proven wrong, though, I'm considering getting an iMac.

Interestingly this article says it's upgradable, but the quote they pulled from the spec sheet isn't mentioned on Apple's website (any longer): https://www.imore.com/can-you-upgrade-ram-27-inch-imac

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Or the CPU. But we're talking an $1800 machine with a 5400rpm disc and 8gb of Ram. That's one hell of a screen and CPU.

It's probably no longer true, but when the 5K iMac came out it was the cheapest way to get a 5K screen. You got the computer for free, essentially.

It's still pretty much true. 5K screens unfortuantely barely exist at this point.

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I'm curious why you think that. I mostly write code for a living and apart from the notebook line catastrophe (I'm stuck on a 2014 model of a MacBook Pro and waiting for something to come out with a reasonable keyboard and perhaps more than one port that I can use), the desktop line is improving quickly. I've been really tempted by the Mac Mini, I would buy the iMac Pro if I could afford it, and now I intend to get t…

I'm curious why you need 5K@27 for 3 columns. I have 2x27" 4K LG's and they comfortably fit. The effective DPI may be higher on 5K at 27" than 4K at 27" but at a reasonable distance I fail to see any difference (approx 220ppi vs 170ppi at 3 feet).

5K at 27" enables you to use 2x scaling which is much lighter on your hardware. Scaling 4K at 2x leads to a sizing which looks like 1080p (just much sharper), which may be too large depending on your distance from the screen. Using anything but 2x scaling will tax your hardware, slow down the computer and blur the image.

Read more about it here: https://bjango.com/articles/macexternaldisplays/

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> If someone could figure out a legal way to offer recommended-hardware Hackintosh builds as a service†, that'd be pretty ideal for what you're talking about, in the sense of "you could buy one for your mom", and it would "just work" (and hopefully continue to "just work" through updates, if they do it right.) Is this not what tonymacx86.com provides via the buying guide / golden builds forum?

You still have to buy the parts and put them together yourself; and then you have it follow the scene to figure out what to do for each macOS update (e.g. whether you should wait before installing it, whether you need to tweak some setting in Clover, etc.) I’m willing to do that for one workstation that will live on my desk; I’m not willing to do it for a computer that’s going to be used by a relative who lives thous…

I’m late to the party I see!

I don’t know how that’s ever going to be viable though.. for that scenario you would already have a Mac mini there because there is no need for hardware to run like Crysis. And then it can have service, comes with keyboard and mouse, as well as manuals. Then I am not sure how cheap you want to have that hypothetical alternative to make it worthwhile.

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