Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing

Post by dantheman » Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 5:02 AM UTC

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Or it's just a symptom of the Shirky Principle: "Institutions will try to preserve the problem to which they are the solution." Even if the workplace is not adversarial, any union will try to preserve the conditions that necessitate its continued existence. No union ever said "Wow, this new CEO and management are super fair and reasonable. We are no longer necessary, let's dissolve and let them take the reigns."

According to the labor theory of value: When an individual negotiates and works for a company, they make the company X$/yr. And they only pay the person YX$/yr where Y is a value from 0-.99 . That's because the company relies on this imbalance across its workforce to extract money from employees' labor. Your value may be X$/yr, but you are compensated for .2X$/yr . The .8X/yr goes to the company as their profit. In u…

Post by dang » Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 5:10 AM UTC

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My sister worked at a charter school. Because of previous labor violations teachers were not allowed to show up before class started (they could only be there for the official class hours). They also were not allowed to stay late after class. My sister thought this was ridiculous, how was she supposed to setup her classroom and answer questions afterwards? Unfortunately her boss warned her that coming early and stayi…

You can go above and beyond during designated work hours. To allow work outside of these hours is a race to the bottom in a rat race to see who can no-life it the hardest for the least money. If you can't make yourself stand out with the same amount of hours as your coworkers, then maybe you should come to terms with the fact that you just aren't exceptional.

Post by joemi » Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 5:16 AM UTC

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> This is a bit like being forced to buy health insurance and complaining when you don't get ill. You're right, it is a bit like that. And similarly, many people don't want to be forced to buy health insurance. Especially if they don't think they'll get sick.

Do you feel the same way about car insurance? Should people not be required to have active insurance if they don't think they will get into an accident? What about vaccination? I'm just curious how far you can take your logic before you realize that it is erroneous.

Post by speedplane » Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 5:28 AM UTC

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They're probably mostly referring to Bernie Sanders, who ran a campaign very focused on wealth inequality. The union link is that when people become more aware of inequality and by extension class, they become more likely to participate in class-based politics and organizations such as unions, in theory at least.

>They're probably mostly referring to Bernie Sanders, who ran a campaign very focused on wealth inequality. Sanders is in the 1% as well.

Post by joemi » Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 5:37 AM UTC

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joemi wrote: post #387

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> This is a bit like being forced to buy health insurance and complaining when you don't get ill. You're right, it is a bit like that. And similarly, many people don't want to be forced to buy health insurance. Especially if they don't think they'll get sick.

So what do they do when they do get sick? Die peacefully without costing the rest of us anything? I somehow doubt it - although I’d be happy to see any evidence to the contrary. EDIT: to be clear, my argument isn’t “we shouldn’t have to pay for healthcare for others”, it’s “if people refuse to pay into the healthcare system when they are able to but still demand treatment when they need it, that’s a broken system”.