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Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by opan » Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 8:06 PM UTC

malvosenior wrote: post #206

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #180

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I think it will happen sooner than you think, with companies like Beyond Meat working hard to ultimately make plant protein "meat" both highly palatable and less expensive.

There are a lot of people (myself included) who actually enjoy real meat and would never switch, so no it won't be happening any time soon or at all really.

Do you refuse to stop anything enjoyable? I think there are often other factors worth considering. Maybe you enjoy meat, but if you also enjoy many non-meat foods, you can eat those and still fulfill the need to eat and the need to enjoy food.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by throwaway413 » Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 8:07 PM UTC

QuantumAphid wrote: post #329

throwaway413 wrote: post #283

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My son has been vegan for his entire life. He’s 4 now and very healthy. I was vegan for 5 years and about 6 months ago started eating meat and dairy again for reasons unrelated to food. I was raised in a household that ate meat with almost every meal. I have personally experienced pros and cons to both lifestyles, but would argue that in practice , a vegan diet is healthier for most people due to the nature of food o…

Including animal-free "milk" as an infant?

Yep, mainly coconut or almond milk. He was breastfed until he was about 22 months old.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by malvosenior » Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 8:13 PM UTC

opan wrote: post #341

malvosenior wrote: post #206

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There are a lot of people (myself included) who actually enjoy real meat and would never switch, so no it won't be happening any time soon or at all really.

Do you refuse to stop anything enjoyable? I think there are often other factors worth considering. Maybe you enjoy meat, but if you also enjoy many non-meat foods, you can eat those and still fulfill the need to eat and the need to enjoy food.

> Do you refuse to stop anything enjoyable? I think there are often other factors worth considering

Other people's opinion about my diet isn't one of those factors. You can't shame someone out of doing something they enjoy.

> Maybe you enjoy meat, but if you also enjoy many non-meat foods, you can eat those and still fulfill the need to eat and the need to enjoy food

But I like eating meat so I will continue to do that in addition to eating other foods I also enjoy.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by KozmoNau7 » Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 8:14 PM UTC

QuantumAphid wrote: post #328

cageface wrote: post #154

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The only supplement needed on a vegan diet is minimal amounts of b12, and that’s only necessary because sanitation kills the bacteria that produce it. The environmental footprint of a vegan diet is way lower than even that of a pescavore.

I'm guessing you mean "minimal amounts" because B12 doses/levels are measured in micrograms. In fact a vegan diet provides no natural B12 (see note below). This is a serious gap that must be addressed by supplementation/fortification. Supplements have challenges too (and in fact many studies show supplements to be of little value). In order to attain sufficient B12 via supplements, a person needs to consume many time…

Fermented foods such as kimchi or sauerkraut can provide B12, but you have to get the old-fashioned variety, not the "pour some vinegar over boiled cabbage" version.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by dev_dull » Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 8:18 PM UTC

darkpuma wrote: post #317

anonuser123456 wrote: post #310

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How do you enforce laws in international waters on foreign flagged ships?

With a navy. Environmental protection is a better casus belli than most wars get.

These kinds of responses are akin to “If it’s illegal and people are still doing it, then clearly the solution is to make it extra illegal!”

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by QuantumAphid » Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 8:56 PM UTC

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #344

QuantumAphid wrote: post #328

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I'm guessing you mean "minimal amounts" because B12 doses/levels are measured in micrograms. In fact a vegan diet provides no natural B12 (see note below). This is a serious gap that must be addressed by supplementation/fortification. Supplements have challenges too (and in fact many studies show supplements to be of little value). In order to attain sufficient B12 via supplements, a person needs to consume many time…

Fermented foods such as kimchi or sauerkraut can provide B12, but you have to get the old-fashioned variety, not the "pour some vinegar over boiled cabbage" version.

Most store-bought or restaurant kimchi has fish-sauce and/or bits of shrimp.

I can't find much support for B12 in these foods in online databases.

If these must be home-made or of similar quality, supplementation of B12 is still going to be important.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by QuantumAphid » Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 9:12 PM UTC

throwaway413 wrote: post #342

QuantumAphid wrote: post #329

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Including animal-free "milk" as an infant?

Yep, mainly coconut or almond milk. He was breastfed until he was about 22 months old.

Isn't consuming human breastmilk and being vegan/animal-free a contradiction?

Thanks for sharing & best wishes for your family's health. I hope you have allowed for proper vaccinations.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by gpmcadam » Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 9:33 PM UTC

notacoward wrote: post #169

gpmcadam wrote: post #112

This is a terrible thing for a creature to go through. How common are cases like this, or is this more of a one-off?

Not uncommon at all. Every organization that has anything to do with marine rescue (including pelagic or shore birds) has to deal with this kind of thing routinely.

How often is 'routinely'? Can you provide a source?

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by gpmcadam » Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 9:33 PM UTC

stevenwoo wrote: post #262

gpmcadam wrote: post #112

This is a terrible thing for a creature to go through. How common are cases like this, or is this more of a one-off?

There was an article on the front page recently where they found plastic particles in the cells of creatures in the Marianas Trench. It's plastic all the way down.

How concentrated? Do you have a link to that article?

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by your-nanny » Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 10:04 PM UTC

your-nanny wrote: post #294

dev_dull wrote: post #258

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You think blanket laws fixes it either? You need good, well thought out law free from lobbyist influence that tackle the heart of the issue. In other words, something extremely difficult to produce and often times hard to enforce. Or else you get more trash laws like making it illegal to serve water without asking in San Francisco.

you need more than laws, you need enforcement of those laws.

it is easy to pass a law and then turn the other way when it's violated. happened leading up to financial crisis. or that law about registering as a foreign agent in the us.