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Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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Sadly I think the Purism phone just was pushed back wasn't it?

The release was pushed from Summer 2019 to Fall 2019. I was in the same boat as the grandparent. I ended up getting a cheap phone that I could put lineageOS on, I installed F-Droid, and I didn't install any of Googles Apps. Its working out very well actually.

If you need another cheap phone I can heartily recommend the Nokia 6.1 at 199.99 it was an absolute bargain.

I know HMD isn't the original Nokia (though it has a lot of the management) but it's an excellent phone and with AndroidOne you get security updates immediately which was a big thing I wanted after Moto-G's

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True that. It's the blessing and curse of app stores. On iOS everyone complains there's only one App Store. On Android everyone complains the vendors and networks keep pre-loading their multifarious crappy app stores. People, eh?

Maybe the problem is the tight coupling. An app store is really many things. It's client software for installing apps, it's a service for verifying apps, it's a hosting service for apps, it's a payment processor. If you want to replace any piece of it you currently have to replace the whole thing, and do so all at once. Even if you create a good alternative app store, it has few apps in it, which matters if it's a se…

The thing you're ignoring is developer reputation. Google (or any app-store runner) doesn't want to allow you to use parts of their service—for which they could be held liable if those services take your money and give you nothing in return, or give you a virus—unless you're also using their identity system and thus their developer-reputation system.

And if you are using Google's identity system—in what way are you not just back to publishing on the Play Store? Through the identity system (and associated developer-reputation system) they can control who can or cannot publish on your app store. So it's really just their app store. It's your UX, but it's their guiding hand, just as if Google were on your board of directors.

Really, there's no point in them letting you have your own app store which relies on parts of their infrastructure, since they can tell that any implementation their legal dept would okay is a lose-lose that no dev would ever be interested in taking part in. To detach any liability for the results from them, you have to do it all the app-store stuff yourself. Which is exactly what mobile OEMs do.

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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> The alternative to google play would presumably be the apple app store which, if they ban you, there is no side channel. It depends on what you mean by "side channel". You can do a PWA instead, or use tools like Test Flight (up to 10,000 users), or leverage the Apple Developer Enterprise Program, etc.

Unless or until Apple bans your account, at which point you can't even deploy to your own phone anymore.

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Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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So KDE Connect (with all features) joins NewPipe, AdAway and other amazing Android applications that are on F-Droid and not on Google Play.

Any other great apps on F-Droid? I'm using all of the above except AdAway and: - Orgzly: Org-mode brought to your phone. I use it for capturing TODOs and push notifications for reminders. - Revolution IRC: IRC Client - Syncthing: Syncs files between my computer and phone. Mostly used for .org files - Goodtime: Pomodoro technique time-management - Loop Habit Tracker: Track habits (reading, exercise, etc.) - Slide for…

A few more:

- Blockada - VPN-style ad blocker

- Drum On! - Drum machine

- Firefox Klar - Small privacy-focused browser

- RedReader - Reddit client

- Shattered Pixel Dungeon - Roguelike dungeon crawler game

- Tuner - Guitar and instrument tuner

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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I had forgotten about Yalp. Wouldn’t you still encounter compatibility issues with apps that require Play Services functionality?

I used LineageOS with microg on my Nexus 5x for a long time, and it mostly worked. With Magisk Hide I could use my bank apps. But I never got Lyft, Uber, or Bird to work properly.

Have you tried the Uber PWA? It should work with Mozilla's location API (which microg uses).

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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Wow, this is an amazing list! Thank you for taking the time to compile it. I'll be trying a number of these out.

There's some apps on this list which are in the regular Google Play store. OsmAnd and Google Sky Maps are ones I use from the Play store.

OsmAnd~, free on F-Droid, is the paid version OsmAnd+ on the Play Store with unlimited map downloads and probably other features. Which does not prevent from donating to OsmAnd.

I didn't know Sky Map is a former Google app!

Most apps on my list are probably on the Play Store indeed :-)

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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Ech at least on android you can easily install apps outside of google play. _I_ find it scary to make business with as you can be pretty much _snapped_ out of existance in a single decision.

I don't really follow the argument. If you are a commercial company, the Play store is pretty much all that matters in terms of business viability. At a commercial level, the fact a few geeks can side-load apps is next to irrelevant. Who builds a business on side-loaded apps?

> Who builds a business on side-loaded apps?

Epic Games. https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/07/fortnite-hits-15-million-i...

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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The release was pushed from Summer 2019 to Fall 2019. I was in the same boat as the grandparent. I ended up getting a cheap phone that I could put lineageOS on, I installed F-Droid, and I didn't install any of Googles Apps. Its working out very well actually.

If you need another cheap phone I can heartily recommend the Nokia 6.1 at 199.99 it was an absolute bargain. I know HMD isn't the original Nokia (though it has a lot of the management) but it's an excellent phone and with AndroidOne you get security updates immediately which was a big thing I wanted after Moto-G's

Nice! I got a Sony xperia XA2, I found it open box for $150

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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I find it extremely scary to make business with Google. Their robot would get your account banned, all cloud, play and every other thing with it. Every hour it is banned would be lost money and lost customers. This is not my problem, really. It is Google's public image as I seen it soulless support for last 10 years, and stories like this pop up time to time. Too sad they pretty much locked in Android app market, and…

> I find it extremely scary to make business with Google

Isn't Apple scarier? They can block your app for particular country and if they do there is no way around.

> and with every version it is harder and harder to sideload apps

How is it hard to click a link on an app author's website and press "allow"?

And there also is F-Droid.

Google is by orders of magnitude better than Apple in this way.

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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Ech at least on android you can easily install apps outside of google play. _I_ find it scary to make business with as you can be pretty much _snapped_ out of existance in a single decision.

I don't really follow the argument. If you are a commercial company, the Play store is pretty much all that matters in terms of business viability. At a commercial level, the fact a few geeks can side-load apps is next to irrelevant. Who builds a business on side-loaded apps?

> a few geeks can side-load apps

Do you mean being able to click a link on the app author's website and press "allow" makes you an elite sort of geek?

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