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Pixelfed – An alternative to centralized image sharing platforms

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Re: Pixelfed – An alternative to centralized image sharing platforms

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post #15

A few questions: Is this compatible with existng solutions like Mastodon? And why just images? Why not videos/documents/music or even events? How long will the images be available? Who is paying for storage? How does the technology compare to IPFS?

Yes, it is using ActivityPub, the same federation protocol as Mastodon.

Pixelfed is fairly new, and probably should get it's minimum viable product working before worrying about supporting more formats. And there's a lot of ActivityPub-based software out there, it makes sense to focus on a specific experience people are looking for.

You host Pixelfed where you want to, or use someone else's Pixelfed server. As long as either you or someone else is paying to host it, it's there.

ActivityPub style federation isn't like IPFS. Data is largely still contained on the server it's posted on, but you can communicate with other servers so that people can be notified, interact, and comment on things posted on other servers. But it's a much more traditional server model than IPFS. When a Mastodon or Pixelfed server goes offline, it's content is gone.

Re: Pixelfed – An alternative to centralized image sharing platforms

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post #15

A few questions: Is this compatible with existng solutions like Mastodon? And why just images? Why not videos/documents/music or even events? How long will the images be available? Who is paying for storage? How does the technology compare to IPFS?

1) Yes, these speak the common ActivityPub protocol.

2) It's purposeful specialization. PeerTube is a video hosting service, Funkwhale is a music hosting service, GetTogether is an event hosting service. No idea what services provide online document services - they likely aren't ActivityPub-compatible.

3) Ask the administrator of your instance. The Fediverse, of which PixelFed is part, is composed of a mesh of networked instances.

4) I don't have enough IPFS experience to answer.

Re: Pixelfed – An alternative to centralized image sharing platforms

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> Registrations are closed.

I think the lack of a common name/URL is the biggest problem that is preventing federated open source social networks from gaining mass popularity. I remember when identi.ca came out as an alternative to Twitter. It seemed like it was starting to gain some traction, then they switched to pump.io and closed registrations. I haven't heard of anyone using either since. Look at Diaspora, that never took off either. You might convince someone to try it out, they'd go to the website and it'd be too complicated for them. "Which pod do I choose?" Then they would just go back to using Facebook and Twitter.

Re: Pixelfed – An alternative to centralized image sharing platforms

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post #13

I clicked the link and... have no idea what this is. It looks like instagram maybe? I can't even figure out how to figure out what it is. The only clickable thing I see is "@admin" which just takes me to what looks like an Instagram page. It doesn't even mention fediverse on that page, and even if it did, you'd have to know what the fediverse is. This feels like a huge barrier to adoption for them beyond the nerdiest…

Most people who might use a service like this won't know and maybe won't care what the fediverse is and what other services it's connected to. The goal should be for that to simply be the underlying standard everything else is built on, regardless of which site/client you use to connect to people. But yeah, this is more or less federated Instagram, but the federation is still a work-in-progress, AFAIK.

It is. But I already can follow from Mastodon which is really cool because it's a different software.

Re: Pixelfed – An alternative to centralized image sharing platforms

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post #23

> Registrations are closed. I think the lack of a common name/URL is the biggest problem that is preventing federated open source social networks from gaining mass popularity. I remember when identi.ca came out as an alternative to Twitter. It seemed like it was starting to gain some traction, then they switched to pump.io and closed registrations. I haven't heard of anyone using either since. Look at Diaspora, that…

> Which pod do I choose?

That is actually a great UX question. For federated services how do you think we best solve this? I mean everyone wants to just not pick one. But different loss suits people better in terms of location/interests/something else.

UX folks, what patterns would you suggest to help solve this?

Re: Pixelfed – An alternative to centralized image sharing platforms

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On first glance, looks like a decentralized Instagram.

A couple of questions:

- What is the business model? If millions of people are on this and there's no ads/monetization -- how is the service covering costs?

- If people had to pay, then it might limit adoption, how are you going to handle that?

- How are you guys thinking about support, monitoring content (removing illegal/copyrighted content)

Re: Pixelfed – An alternative to centralized image sharing platforms

#29

I've signed up for Pixelfed. It's nice enough. It doesn't seem like actual federation between Mastodon or other Pixelfed instances is up and running though. You can follow a Pixelfed account in Mastodon but not vice versa. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong. Anyways. It's fun... I post silly inconsequential pictures because I know only a half-dozen people will ever see them. The public timeline is not very lively s…

That's pretty much how things are developing in the fediverse: each platform meant for its own content type, with the microblogging platforms generally being used for a "main" identity. So platforms like Pixelfed and Peertube can focus on photos and videos, respectively, while still interacting with the larger network.

By not supporting following in the other direction, these specialized platforms can stay focused on the content shared there, instead of also supporting microblogging, video, photos, events, and whatever other types come up in the future. But of course you're not limited to just following in one direction -- comments go both ways. So someone can comment on your Pixelfed photo with a Mastodon account, and you can respond to that comment with your Pixelfed account, and they'll see your comment back on Mastodon.

Re: Pixelfed – An alternative to centralized image sharing platforms

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post #25

> Registrations are closed. Can someone explain this?

As I recall the idea was to promote looking for a Pixelfed instance with a community that fits your needs and interests, which in turn makes the network stronger by distributing the userbase over a variety of servers.

Keeping registrations open on what is often perceived as an "official" instance can lead to that instance getting most of the new users of the network, since it's usually the one you'll find if you search for the corresponding software. mastodon.social (previously open, now invite only) is a good example of that, IMO. I'm not sure if it's a good or a bad thing, but I do feel it subverts the idea of a federated network if most users are on a handful of known instances.

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