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Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun

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Re: Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun

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For those who don't know, Falun Gong is perceived like the Chinese version of Scientology in China, although a lot of injustice was done to Falun Gong followers and most of their assets frozen, there isn't much sympathy for them and they're typically regarded as a bit weird, believing in Qi, faith healing and all that.

   >  although a lot of injustice was done to Falun Gong followers 
Where do I sign up "the church of" Scientology to have harm done to them?

Re: Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun

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post #19

Well, I guess my priors need a bit of tuning; they picked up from the pervasiveness of the advertising that this must be a funded propaganda push, but I assumed it would be from the Chinese government, not someone rather bitterly opposed to them. (This is not an *-ist comment; that governments promote their cultures in other countries to create "soft power" is an established fact. I for one would love in many ways to…

> but I assumed it would be from the Chinese government, not someone rather bitterly opposed to them.

I have to admit, I thought exactly the same. Just yesterday saw a booth with a nicely dressed man in a suit, selling Shen Yun tickets and thought it must a troupe from China and wondered how much propaganda is in it. I was imagining something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius_Institute. Then today saw this on the HN front page.

It turns out yes, it is selling propaganda, but not the kind I thought.

Re: Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun

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post #6

"The fact that both Falun Gong and the Communist Party communicate via propaganda makes it almost impossible to understand what’s really happening."

Generalized it for you: "The fact that everyone in 2019 communicates via propaganda makes it almost impossible to understand what’s really happening." "Social media" is a bit of a whitewash. It should really be called, "Everyone Propaganda!"

American Idiot really was ahead of its time.

Re: Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun

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I live in the Boston area and they are very, very persistent when it comes to promoting the event. It seems like every local business has a Shen Yun poster in the window, and they go to door-to-door with flyers. There are TV ads on local broadcasters. And of course they are all over Facebook with ads. This reflects not only the zeal of the volunteers but a very large budget to do the broadcast ads.

The local media and most of the public seems to have no clue that it's a propaganda gambit.

Re: Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun

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For those who don't know, Falun Gong is perceived like the Chinese version of Scientology in China, although a lot of injustice was done to Falun Gong followers and most of their assets frozen, there isn't much sympathy for them and they're typically regarded as a bit weird, believing in Qi, faith healing and all that.

I've had first-hand experience of people defending the PRC's treatment of Uighurs, so I'll take the perception in China with a few grains of salt.

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For those who don't know, Falun Gong is perceived like the Chinese version of Scientology in China, although a lot of injustice was done to Falun Gong followers and most of their assets frozen, there isn't much sympathy for them and they're typically regarded as a bit weird, believing in Qi, faith healing and all that.

It's also pretty counter productive and even tone deaf to put on program that alienates and denigrates the very groups in the States that would have been their biggest sympathizers against that oppression.

It also reminds us that there are worlds views even worse than the status quo. As unbelievable as that may seem.

Re: Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun

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post #19

Well, I guess my priors need a bit of tuning; they picked up from the pervasiveness of the advertising that this must be a funded propaganda push, but I assumed it would be from the Chinese government, not someone rather bitterly opposed to them. (This is not an *-ist comment; that governments promote their cultures in other countries to create "soft power" is an established fact. I for one would love in many ways to…

I think a Falun Gong association was my initial assumption (don't really remember now, to be honest), but I was already quite familiar with the significant push behind the Epoch Times, which tends to wear its anti-Chinese-government stance rather more on its sleeve in the form of headlines.

Of course on the other end of things there's China Daily so... maybe not such a helpful data point.

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post #17

Embarrassed to say that my wife and I were duped into purchasing tickets to the show. We had thought it would be a highly choreographed, theatrical re-enactment of significant events in pre-Mao China, and had not done any research on it. Instead, it was horribly amateurish propaganda (the entire "set" was a projected CG image). Heavy-handed plays for sympathy and the demonization of the Chinese state culminated in a…

Yeah I couldn't stand it either. For me the low point was a mediocre male tenor singing solo at the top of his lungs in his native Chinese, as the lyrics' English translation appeared on the screen behind him: "Denounce the heresy of evolution!" Total waste of time and $.

Re: Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun

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post #25

For those who don't know, Falun Gong is perceived like the Chinese version of Scientology in China, although a lot of injustice was done to Falun Gong followers and most of their assets frozen, there isn't much sympathy for them and they're typically regarded as a bit weird, believing in Qi, faith healing and all that.

I've had first-hand experience of people defending the PRC's treatment of Uighurs, so I'll take the perception in China with a few grains of salt.

Yes, this is true. But Falun Gong does not become less of a cult, whether you agree with the official Chinese opinion about them or not. They have a lot of weird beliefs: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Falun_Gong . And they are persecuted by Chinese government. Both facts are pretty much true, I think.

Re: Stepping into the Uncanny, Unsettling World of Shen Yun

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post #17

Embarrassed to say that my wife and I were duped into purchasing tickets to the show. We had thought it would be a highly choreographed, theatrical re-enactment of significant events in pre-Mao China, and had not done any research on it. Instead, it was horribly amateurish propaganda (the entire "set" was a projected CG image). Heavy-handed plays for sympathy and the demonization of the Chinese state culminated in a…

To be fair, Chinese propaganda comes off as heavy-handed to a Western audience, FG is putting on a propaganda show for literal survival, and FG has received the treatment which happens to "bad" groups of people. FG is a nutty cult, but (in my opinion) dont deserve to get organ harvested for belonging to a cult. Other "bad" groups might be Uyghurs now, Hui 5 years in the future, "intellectuals" fifty years ago, and lots more. The quote about "first they came for the Jews, and I was silent because I was not one" comes to mind.
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