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Post by js2 »

soneil wrote: post #379
js2 wrote: post #307

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I'm in your boat. My history with Apple goes back even longer, to the Apple II and Mac SE. I've lost track of how much Apple gear I've purchased in the last three+ decades. The only non-upgradeable part that cheeses me is the storage. And the battery should be user swappable. Aside from reliability issues like the keyboard/display which Apple obviously has to fix, those are the only two parts which I almost always ne…

I do understand most of their trade-offs. But these little m2 nvme sticks should be just as easy to expose as ram is. That'd make a huge difference for me. Being locked in to a purchase-time decision doesn't sit well with how quickly SSD capacities and prices evolve.

Yup, I’ve upgraded two Apple laptops already with NVMe adapters and Samsung SSDs.

https://www.amazon.com/Sintech-Adapter-Upgrade-2013-2016-201...

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Post by dang »

pdq wrote: post #356

@dang typo: This has been up for 5 hours with the title "Apply" instead of "Apple"?

Typing fail—sorry!

The submitted title was "iMac gets a 2x performance boost" but I changed that about 15 minutes before you posted, because we try to avoid press-release language on HN.

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Post by pfranz »

microtonal wrote: post #362
imdsm wrote: post #311

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I bought an iMac Pro (base model) last year. I see it as investing up front in an already upgraded machine, that I can now use for the next 10 years.

But Apple does not support macOS for most Macs that long. E.g. last year's Mojave does not support iMacs from before 2012. You may be lucky and they might support the iMac Pro a bit longer, but it is unlikely that you'll get an up-to-date secure OS for ten years. If they transition to ARM at some point, the lifetimes of Intel Macs may even be shorter.

I did a quick check on Macbook Pros:

* 10.8 (2012) dropped support for original Core 2 Duo (2006) — 6 years

* 10.12 (2016) dropped support for 2009 MacBook Pro — 7 years

* 10.14 (2018) dropped support for 2011 MacBook Pro — 7 years

The releases in between didn't drop support for any (mbp) hardware.

The longest support I found with a spot-check was:

* 10.12 (2016) dropped support for 2007 MacBook Pro — 9 years

Apple tends to release updates for about 3 years for each OS. 10.11 (2015) got its last patch in 2018. 10.12 (2016) got an update in January and is expected to receive updates through September.

I should have looked up desktops, since that's what most of the discussion is in this thread, but I don't have much firsthand experience with them. So assuming you buy the hardware the day its released, you can expect to have the newest software support for 6-9 years and have security updates for 9-12 years.

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Post by artursapek »

geezerjay wrote: post #390
xvector wrote: post #344

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> As times goes on I find Mac loyalists more and more absurd What purposes does your comment serve? It's not that hard to understand that he found the rest of the laptop valuable enough to spend 3.5k on it (despite the keyboard, which isn't that bad anyways). His viewpoint isn't that uncommon either, plenty of businesses buy fully loaded MacBook Pros in bulk because it increases productivity. If you're using the lapt…

The only case I ever saw of a company buying Apple hardware in bulk, the decision had zero to do with specs or productivity, and all to do with wanting to project an image of success.

Yeah, it's a status symbol for consumers and tech companies alike.

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Post by crooked-v »

todd8 wrote: post #201

It's just frustrating, I switched the household over to Apple devices when OSX came out, and now there really aren't any systems from Apple that look interesting to me. I've been programming since before the (Unix) dawn of time, and Apple devices have been good development machines for me since OSX was released 18 years ago. I'm comfortable on Linux, but the Apple iOS devices and computers are all over my home and in…

For me the incredibly obvious flaws are (a) not having a monitor line anymore despite pushing USB-C stuff, (b) the really awful keyboards on the laptops now, (c) the Touch Bar being completely pointless†, and (d) the price tags on prepackaged spec upgrades being absurd.

† The weirdest part of this is that there's an obvious high-value use case using exactly the same hardware: use that strip as a Dock replacement with app icons, so everyone can reclaim the bottom half-inch of their main screen.

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Post by killa_kyle »

resters wrote: post #126
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #120

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It’s a fusion drive so most “normal people” likely won’t notice unless they have a huge photo library. My guess is they want 1TB so they can upsell you to 3 or 4TB, which would be prohibitively expensive with SSDs right now. Edit: I was wrong, the lowest tier iMacs actually have a 1TB regular drive. That’s crazy considering the lowest tier Mac is almost always the most popular.

I made the mistake of buying an iMac last year with a fusion drive. I assumed that since it was an Apple product it would have relatively good performance. It is unbelievably slow and negates the high performance characteristics of the rest of the system. I have tremendous buyer's remorse and rarely use the machine. Whenever I do use it, the feeling I get is "how could Apple do this to its brand?". The machine cost o…

I have the 5k iMac with slow hard drive. I ended up getting a USB3 SSD and booting the system from that drive. Works great. much faster.

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Post by turboturbo »

If you’re in the market for this model, do yourself a favour and don’t buy the base configuration with the unusably slow 5400 rpm HDD. I bought the previous model with that hard drive and the startup performance is appalling

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Post by resters »

scarface74 wrote: post #238
resters wrote: post #196

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I maxed out the CPU and got a lot of RAM, I assumed the drive would have enough cache that I wouldn't notice the spindle aspect.

And now that you see it isn’t the case after that you couldn’t just say “my bad” and spend the < $200 for an SSD drive?

I think the SSD would have been $500 more, which I would have happily paid if I had realized how poorly the fusion drive would perform.

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Post by bradknowles »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #342

I just wish there was a way to run OSX on a high-performance server, or a cloud virtual machine, for continuous-integration purposes. The iMac Pro doesn't cut it, and is a pain to host anywhere. I'd like to test-build applications for OSX alongside CI builds for Linux and Windows, and there's no sensible, legal, scalable solution for that.

Searching for "macos hosting", here are the first seven links I found:

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