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Re: Apple updates its iMac line

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Post by lostlogin »

sbarre wrote: post #265
derefr wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone could figure out a legal way to offer recommended-hardware Hackintosh builds as a service†, that'd be pretty ideal for what you're talking about, in the sense of "you could buy one for your mom", and it would "just work" (and hopefully continue to "just work" through updates, if they do it right.) † I guess, if you were to operate a "Hackintosh OEM", you could sell the hardware build itself without actuall…

I feel like anyone becoming too successful in this space would find the ol' Eye of Sauron pointed at them pretty quickly.. Whether through technical or legal means, I doubt Apple would sit around and let this openly thrive or grow into a viable option for the average consumer.

You feel it when you try and use iCloud on a hackintosh. As you progressively lose access to your services, you begin to question the choose you have made. And that’s just a glancing blow. Never again.

Re: Apple updates its iMac line

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Post by JoshTriplett »

I just wish there was a way to run OSX on a high-performance server, or a cloud virtual machine, for continuous-integration purposes. The iMac Pro doesn't cut it, and is a pain to host anywhere. I'd like to test-build applications for OSX alongside CI builds for Linux and Windows, and there's no sensible, legal, scalable solution for that.

Re: Apple updates its iMac line

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Post by prewett »

S_A_P wrote: post #206
subpixel wrote: post #68

re: RAM, I bought a 2015 iMac with a 1TB drive on Craiglist last month, thinking it might be the perfect machine to edit and store/serve family photos (mac --> Google Photos and mac --> BackBlaze). It never in a million years would have occurred to me that 1) 8GB on a 2015 machine would be utterly, pathetically underpowered for even browsing the web, or 2) that an iMac would be sold in 2015 that would not let you upg…

I bought one of those from best buy and quickly hit the wall with the 5400 rpm drive. I bought the iMac repair kit from ifixit and put a 1tb ssd in its place. It screams now. I have literally never had a drive swap make such a HUGE performance improvement.

Is using an external SSD drive with USB 3 a reasonable alternative? I'm considering an iMac, but I'd rather not do that iFixit kit on a brand new machine if I can avoid it.

Re: Apple updates its iMac line

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Post by xvector »

artursapek wrote: post #340
todd8 wrote: post #261

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It's not that I think the Mac's are too expensive, I paid more that $3.5k for my current gen Mac Book Pro laptop. I wish it had a good keyboard and I wish it was as easy to handle as one of my ThinkPads. My current development machine is a Mac Pro, the little cylinder from 2013, and I had a couple of the aluminum box ones and my first was in a plastic case. I just couldn't see upgrading to a current Mac Pro ($5k to $…

> I paid more that $3.5k for my current gen Mac Book Pro laptop. I wish it had a good keyboard As time goes on I find Mac loyalists more and more absurd

> As times goes on I find Mac loyalists more and more absurd

What purposes does your comment serve? It's not that hard to understand that he found the rest of the laptop valuable enough to spend 3.5k on it (despite the keyboard, which isn't that bad anyways).

His viewpoint isn't that uncommon either, plenty of businesses buy fully loaded MacBook Pros in bulk because it increases productivity. If you're using the laptop for work, you'll be connected to an external monitor and keyboard 90% of the time.

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Post by dinedal »

specialist wrote: post #268
jwr wrote: post #242

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I'm curious why you think that. I mostly write code for a living and apart from the notebook line catastrophe (I'm stuck on a 2014 model of a MacBook Pro and waiting for something to come out with a reasonable keyboard and perhaps more than one port that I can use), the desktop line is improving quickly. I've been really tempted by the Mac Mini, I would buy the iMac Pro if I could afford it, and now I intend to get t…

To the parent's point... I'd recommend a hackintosh Intel NUC. I got blisters stuffing RAM SIMMs into daughter cards. I've agonized over IRQ choices for peripherals. I'm so over fiddling with my daily driver. I've got Audrinos and RPi projects for scratching that itch. Uncertainty over the keyboards is precisely why I postponed replacing my laptop. I'd probably use my iMac more if I could find a keyboard & trackpad c…

> I'd recommend a hackintosh Intel NUC

What models work with minimal fuss? What about updates? How do I know that an update won't replace/delete some kext that I need and brick it or break some required functionality?

I really wanted to do this a year ago - except there wasn't any hardware that seemed to answer those questions satisfactorily. In the end, the stability of knowing I can turn on the computer and start work every day without worrying about having to drop into a recovery console because an update f'd is worth more to me than a few grand.

Maybe things have changed?

Re: Apple updates its iMac line

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Post by drukenemo »

owenwil wrote: post #148

It seems to me this product is on life support and Apple is simply doing performance bumps to avoid big capex expenses on designing/tooling for something new? It ships with a 5,400 RPM disk, an outdated display technology, omits T2 chipset, doesn't include Face ID, nor any of their other innovations over the last year. It's actually egregious to stuff old hardware in a workable form factor and hock it, while ignoring…

Outdated display tedhnology? Care to elaborate?

Re: Apple updates its iMac line

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Post by xvector »

ekianjo wrote: post #64
bluedino wrote: post #19

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have you never seen an apple press release? Every product is 2x as fast as the old one, based on a cherry picked benchmark

It is surprising they stop at 2x every single time. You would think Apple gets better at getting better because they are so elite...

Wow, I've never heard someone complain about 2x generation-over-generation improvements before.

Re: Apple updates its iMac line

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Post by gowld »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #48
fiblye wrote: post #13

Bought my iMac 7 years ago with 8GB as the default memory option and a 1TB fusion drive. And here we are, nearly a decade later. Still 8 GB in the newest models. Still 1 TB fusion drives. GPUs haven't even seemed to take a jump over last year's models.

It’s very likely that the high DRAM prices from 2017 to now have been due to market collusion, similar to what happened in 2010. Like your example shows, they’ve basically set the entire industry back years for a modest profit. It’s heinous.

Is $11/GB a high DRAM price? That's the cost of a standalone stick. Apple DRAM costs 2x, and any other PC vendor's DRAM costs 1.5x-2x but that's vendor lock-in, not collusion.

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Post by drukenemo »

yreg wrote: post #9
robotsquidward wrote: post #2

Disappointed we have another year of the same iMac design, especially with serious Mac Pro rumors swirling. Guess I'll wait for the laptops this year to see HOW Apple gets my money lol.

I don't get the craving for a new design, the form-factor is pretty great as it is. Surely they'll eventually update it as well, but I'm a lot more interested in the internals/display/IO than the chassis.

humm I'd love to see thinner bezels and also face ID on the iMac.

Re: Apple updates its iMac line

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Post by rootusrootus »

prewett wrote: post #319
nudded wrote: post #262

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Both new Mac mini and 27" iMac have upgradeable RAM.

The 27" iMac used to have upgradable RAM, but the text for the new version says "configurable to 64 GB", not "upgradable" like it used to. I'd love to be proven wrong, though, I'm considering getting an iMac.

Unless something changed with today's update, it should be upgradeable via a hatch on the back of the machine. I upgraded my 2018 model to 40GB less than a year ago.
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