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Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money

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Re: Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money

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This is precisely the thing, some things are valuable precisely because they are free and ubiquitous. It's a form of value that can't be measured directly in $. If you can measure it in $ at all, you can only do it indirectly, in the form of charges for services and ancillary products. There are no guarantees that's always feasible though. There's a threshold beyond which the cost of harvesting the value is higher th…

It seems like a tragedy of the commons situation, which we have been able to fix in other instances with organized funding. We've seen some organizations spring up around funding open source projects, but if e.g. the US government authorized federal grant funding for open source projects, I think it would set an example for industry (and other governments) across the world. The challenge is getting historically scarc…

I think tragedy of the commons isn’t really a problem for the development side, though I think I get what you mean, but it comes in the form of excessive fragmentation of the ecosystem. Do we really need dozens of Linux distros when most of them are really just tweaks and could easily be packages on other distros? Do we really need all the little incompatible changes, new UI shells, multiple marketplace stores and multiple messaging clients and crapware on Android OEM phones? I think that’s a very different problem though.

Plenty of big companies absolutely get open source and leverage it to great effect. Not just in an abusive way (although how is simply exercising a right in Libre terms abusive?), but also to mutual advantage. Plenty of big companies contribute significantly to open source, but where it genuinely serves a need.

The fact is sometimes you need to invest more into creating software than you could ever capture via an OS business model, even indirectly. Plenty of software products cost millions of $ to develop, are needed in short time scales, require massive input from highly skilled non-programmers and there are people who will pay well to get it. Open source models are not well adapted to that sort of requirement.

Re: Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money

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If Firefox for Android cost 10 USD / year some people would buy it.. Even if there was 100 free forks readily available. People would pay for the brand :) Honestly, I prefer bitwarden over "password store" because I pay and, thus, I know it's unlikely to go away or go unsupported.

Even 10 USD / month would work. (This is roughly how much Reddit Premium costs.)

Re: Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money

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I think doing the argument of "open source vs business focused" is incorrect. I would just make the comparison of "business focused vs not business focused". If it is open source or not, that is just a detail of the business strategy. One of the main problem that we technologist fail at is that a lot of the times we assume technology == product. When we do this, we completely overlook all the necessary infrastructure…

Since you mentioned MySQL, there's this nice story about co-founder Michael “Monty” Widenius[1]. Also MySQL history/timeline[2] is nice example how you can go from 80% revenue drop(after going open source) to $1B acquisition.

[1] https://blog.openocean.vc/founder-stories-a-hackers-hacker-6...

[2] https://dri.es/the-history-of-mysql-ab

Re: Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money

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I am working on Rust to JS compiler based on Scala.js design. I plan to release it using Street Performer Protocol.

Why do you plan on using Street Performer Protocol?

Because I think it is a good way to fund development of open source software.

Re: Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money

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You mean games like Diablo weren't very successful?

Freemium model is vastly more profitable. There is a reason every game company is switching to it.

I think you mean micro transactions. Freemium is base for this.

I don't think its something bad. Even more, it can be absolutely voluntarily and vanity. Skins in LoL dont give you nothing except aesthetics, yet they cash in pretty hard.

Imho the success of micropayments is based on two things. 1. It alows to adjust spending to capabilities, I.e. is easier to scale. 2. it drains wallet slowly, so it's easier to spend more. Like credit services.

Re: Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money

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Chinese livestreaming industry is based on donations, so-called 'virtual gifts', and top streamers can make $100,000 a month or more.

That's more of an entertainment business, basically based on watching. Streamers are nothing else than sports arenas imho. or musicians. It's not so easy to get 10k people watch you code. I'd like to see it though.

It doesn't have to be restricted to livecoding. What about authors of the software you use answer to your questions? Well, to be creative, how much would you pay to watch Stallman dance for you?

Re: Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money

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I'm currently experimenting with this directly. Specifically trying to make Open Source sustainable but for a consumer project. I think Open Source really works for infrastructure projects and it's possible to do really well either working on a system like Kubernetes or Elasticsearch. Not so well for projects that are more focused on consumers. My app, Polar, is focused more on consumers and is an app for people to m…

It looks like it works as a service. Aren’t you concerned someone could fork you, spin it up on AWS and compete you into the dust?

What benefits do you think the project and users will gain from it being open source?

Re: Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money

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I wonder what would happen if someone started an open source software "vendor" run along the lines of public radio / podcasts. Open source licensed (using a regular GPL or other license, nothing new or tricky), but a prominent encouragement to donate it you find it useful. Those donations could then be used to hire full-time developers, and work on the kinds of software that is currently not well served by open-sourc…

It's that was GNU is?
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