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A new class-action lawsuit takes aim at real estate agents and their 6% fee

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I couldn't buy a house without a realtor even though its a house that found myself and was paying 100% cash. 3%-3% is a lot of money if I don't use any service from a realtor.

What prevented you from buying it yourself?

Even when you buy it yourself the seller's agent thinks they are entitled to the entire 6% fee unless you negotiate.

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#42
post #12

Good! I find realtors to be parasites. We sold my wife’s house FSBO, which was not hard at all. My mother just bought a house also FSBO. No parasites involved, and everyone comes out the better. You can always get a real estate lawyer to bless everything.

Exactly what I’ve done over the last 20 years. I FSBO and pay a lawyer by the hour at the doc signing. Not to mention I sell at a higher price than what realtors who try to land my business state I could sell for.

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#43

Where you stand really depends on where you sit. My wife recently became an agent, and prior to that I was all about disrupting the industry. But I’ve come to see the 3% on each side as an almost market clearing price. It’s really hard work, with low barriers to entry, and significant upfront costs. In a tight market, being a buyers agent can be a blessing or a curse. She’s been working with one client for nearly a y…

I’ll also add value I’ve seen she adds from a buyers perspective: -she has access to a lot of off market listings via her networks. Sellers will somethings keep things off market so that when they sell, the tax base stays relatively the same - the appraisers don’t see a sale in the official pipeline -my wife also is really good at sending bespoke letters to target homes of folks not yet willing to sell. She’ll ID a g…

"the appraisers don’t see a sale in the official pipeline"

huh? tax appraisals are based on recent sold values.. not MSRP pending. You have to record the sale with the county to transfer the property so there's no way to escape the ta x man.

Re: A new class-action lawsuit takes aim at real estate agents and their 6% fee

#44
When we sold our house, it was obvious that our realtor's incentive was to get a deal done. They had no incentive to go for a higher price if it lowered the chances of a deal getting done. If you really want an incentive to get the best price, you should have a base fee and an incentive fee, similar to how hedge funds operate. E.g. 2% of total price, plus 20% of difference of price above some baseline (e.g. assessed value).

Re: A new class-action lawsuit takes aim at real estate agents and their 6% fee

#45
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a real estate agent as a buyer can be extremely useful. Time savings: they'll actively search out properties that fit your needs, handle negotiations, schedule inspections and work with the city or county, etc. They're also experienced with all of the legal aspects, and work with mortgage and insurance companies. "Tech Bros" have a stereotype of thinking they can do everything themselves. Sometimes they should…

The tech bros are right about searching out and notifying you about properties, computers do just fine at that. As far as title, legal, etc, certainly something best left to a professional. But it should be fee based, not 6% of the value of the asset.

Even with an agent you separately hire a fee-based lawyer, title search, appraisal, and house inspection. The agent helps coordinate things but that's not really a specialized skill.

Re: A new class-action lawsuit takes aim at real estate agents and their 6% fee

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Where you stand really depends on where you sit. My wife recently became an agent, and prior to that I was all about disrupting the industry. But I’ve come to see the 3% on each side as an almost market clearing price. It’s really hard work, with low barriers to entry, and significant upfront costs. In a tight market, being a buyers agent can be a blessing or a curse. She’s been working with one client for nearly a y…

It's not that people don't do something worthwhile. It's more a question that is it worth paying 60,000 when selling your house? It's not. At $100 an hour, do you get 600 hours out of work of them? No. It's not about market prices, because the cartel (real estate industry) prevents lowering percentages - and they fight to the death any upstart who wants to do it.

It should not be a percentage, it should be a fixed rate. A few thousand dollars. Or hourly.

Until people can set different rates, or you have the option of fixed rates if that is the preference of agent & buyer it won't be honest.

Re: A new class-action lawsuit takes aim at real estate agents and their 6% fee

#48

It blows my mind that the fees are percentage based. The amount of work required for an agent on a 100K house is very similar to that of a 2 Mill house. Presumably the seller agent wishes to get compensation for increasing the value of the house, but for both the seller and buyer agents, the number of deals done far outweighs slight incremental selling prices. In which case, both would prefer to settle on a lower pri…

Agreed 100%. Realtors do legitimate work, and deserve to be compensated for sure. But I think the pay is grossly disproportionate to the amount of value provided, and it's propped up by Realtor-sponsored laws and kickbacks. A lot of Realtors won't even deal with non-Realtor(tm) real-estate agents, which promotes their monopoly stranglehold on the real-estate market.

I'm not sure where I fall on what a real-estate agent's cut should be for selling a house. But for the buyer's agent, it's really over-valued IMO. And why should a buyer's agent in San Jose make 4x more than somebody in Des Moines for the exact same value-add?

When I bought my house, my Realtor found some good listings, arranged viewings, did the paperwork, and set everything up for me. All useful services, and worth paying for. But was it worth $12k for less than 40 hours of total work? I don't think so. That's a higher hourly rate than I'd be charged by a good doctor. And my house was a pretty cheap one by modern standards. Those are monopoly prices charged by people who know they've got you over a barrel.

Re: A new class-action lawsuit takes aim at real estate agents and their 6% fee

#49
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a real estate agent as a buyer can be extremely useful. Time savings: they'll actively search out properties that fit your needs, handle negotiations, schedule inspections and work with the city or county, etc. They're also experienced with all of the legal aspects, and work with mortgage and insurance companies. "Tech Bros" have a stereotype of thinking they can do everything themselves. Sometimes they should…

The tech bros are right about searching out and notifying you about properties, computers do just fine at that. As far as title, legal, etc, certainly something best left to a professional. But it should be fee based, not 6% of the value of the asset.

To tak onto that, i trust my real estate lawyer involved in the purchase for those things. Honestly, agents in my buy search didnt do too much i couldnt with my lawyer (which was fee based)

In the sale side tho, id be willing to use an agent to try and push my sale above market price, make them do the leg work. If it takes 100 days of concentrated effort then yea, they earned their 6% imo

Re: A new class-action lawsuit takes aim at real estate agents and their 6% fee

#50

Where you stand really depends on where you sit. My wife recently became an agent, and prior to that I was all about disrupting the industry. But I’ve come to see the 3% on each side as an almost market clearing price. It’s really hard work, with low barriers to entry, and significant upfront costs. In a tight market, being a buyers agent can be a blessing or a curse. She’s been working with one client for nearly a y…

I definitely think 3% is a little high, BUT, if I were to sell my house, I'd much prefer to have the expertise on my side.

I'm sure in a healthy housing market, working with a great agent can easily make you more than their commission when it comes to pricing strategy.

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