Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money
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#22I wonder what would happen if someone started an open source software "vendor" run along the lines of public radio / podcasts. Open source licensed (using a regular GPL or other license, nothing new or tricky), but a prominent encouragement to donate it you find it useful. Those donations could then be used to hire full-time developers, and work on the kinds of software that is currently not well served by open-sourc…
I'm not sure if that would be a feasible option, but I can definitely see the difference in value propositions.
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#23> The question isn’t open-source-vs-proprietary, but open-source-vs-business-focused. I disagree. Some of the very successful FOSS projects are backed by businesses that benefitting using those. Linux, RocksDB, React, Tensorflow would be good examples.
Yeah, it seems like he's forgotten the about enterprise segment altogether. A lot of companies have OSS but make money charging for support and/or additional features (granted, some of those additional features may not be OSS). Examples: Liquibase, Pentaho, Flyway, etc.
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#24Re: Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money
#25One of the main problem that we technologist fail at is that a lot of the times we assume technology == product. When we do this, we completely overlook all the necessary infrastructure and processes that we need to have in place to capture the value that the technology provides. We need customer success to guide the customer through a continuous successful implementation, marketing to very clearly articulate value propositions that change in different verticals, a sales team to capture the value and turn it into dollars consistently, support to listen to the customer when things go wrong and hold their hand through the fixes or workaround, lawyers to prepare support contracts and cover procurement requirements, hr, etc etc. I could go on forever.
I disagree that there are not examples of companies that show how to make money from open source. Beyond the obvious examples like "RedHat is a public company" and "MySQL sold to Sun", I can think of an absurd amount of businesses whose secret sauce is ElasticSearch. I would argue, that even though Elastic is a public company, they have not been capturing all the value they have brought. Although there are consulting companies like EnterpriseDB and CitusDB around projects like PostgreSQL, thinking that "consulting" is the one and only business model around monetizing an open source database is a gross over simplification that glosses over models that are evolving in various other areas, for example the one Jetbrains is doing with IntelliJ (basically a subscription service now).
I can look at the current top 100 posts of HNs and point out quite a few of successful businesses that would not have been where they are right now without open source existing in its current form.
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#26Open source software is infrastructure, not a commodity. Anyone has access to build on top of it. There is no question that open source enables enormous amounts of commerce, probably more so than equivalent closed-source software would. In that way, open source very much does make money in the same way that highways and airports make money.
How are these the same?
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#27I wonder what would happen if someone started an open source software "vendor" run along the lines of public radio / podcasts. Open source licensed (using a regular GPL or other license, nothing new or tricky), but a prominent encouragement to donate it you find it useful. Those donations could then be used to hire full-time developers, and work on the kinds of software that is currently not well served by open-sourc…
I know this is only for Canada and most likely for personal tax filing only, but simple tax is amazing. It's pay what you want and is developed by a team of 6 people.
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#28Re: Open Source Doesn’t Make Money Because It Isn’t Designed to Make Money
#29This is a very clear articulation of the common problems here. Intellectual property can only make money by preventing its use, otherwise it just spreads everywhere to everyone for free. Given this property of the Internet, and the decision of open source/Free Software to embrace rather than fight this property, what side-channels can be constructed to return some value to the developers? > Anything paired with a phy…
This is precisely the thing, some things are valuable precisely because they are free and ubiquitous. It's a form of value that can't be measured directly in $. If you can measure it in $ at all, you can only do it indirectly, in the form of charges for services and ancillary products. There are no guarantees that's always feasible though. There's a threshold beyond which the cost of harvesting the value is higher th…
The challenge is getting historically scarcity-mindset institutions to recognize the value of letting the rising tide of free information lift every ship in the world. They don't like this on its face because they have divided the world into "us" and "not us" and open source provides more utility (in aggregate) to "not us" than to any "us" defined as narrowly as a single company or country. Until Big Finance, Big Pharma, Big Food, Big Manufacturing, and Big Government embrace a broader definition of "us" beyond their own conglomerates, they will continue to see open source as a threat.
This gets at a broader cultural movement toward abundance, that in the US has strong roots in coastal western cities like LA, SF, and Portland, and strong opponents in the Midwest, South, and East. If the US federal government were to invest heavily in open source, it would send a message to the rest of the country that we are now in an age of abundance, where we recognize the value of lifting all ships, because we know that our strength is in the strength of all of us, not the strength of our few strongest players. It would signal a cultural shift toward collaborative ownership and, I believe, spur investment in many commons.
It's difficult to speak the truth of this mindset to power, because incumbents recognize that there are real competitive threats. The hope is that governments will recognize that there are far fewer threats in a world where people have the basics covered, and companies will recognize that defining and advancing the state of the art makes you look pretty good to the best talent and best customers.
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#30In Mozilla's case, I would love to see some sort of cloud hosting for Rust. I also wish I could write front end in Rust but maybe I'll just have to wait for webassembly. I can't imagine that some sort of rust to js compiler (kinda like kotlin) would be too hard and this would be a killer application.
Matei Zaharia (of the Spark fame) and friends are working on weld, https://github.com/weld-project/weld. There's going to be a lot of money there as well. A cloudera competitor of sorts.
But yeah, go ham on Rust based paid solution.