Completely anecdotally, but I've noticed in other parts of the world, education is almost entirely rote memorization, whereas Western education stresses more critical thinking and creative thinking. This may be more useful when it comes to CS and other subjects.
In a study of senior CS majors, U.S. students are tops in skills
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#62Hold on just a minute. Shouldn't they instead say “students at US schools”?
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#63> Once the students were selected, the researchers then administered the Major Field Test in Computer Science, an exam that was developed by the U.S. Educational Testing Service and is regularly updated. There is a huge variation among countries in how subjects are taught and tested. I would like to add that many of my peers have resorted to streamlining for whiteboard interviews, and unsurprisingly, they end up with…
Students from U.S. educational system are doing beter in an >exam that was developed by the U.S. Educational Testing Service Who could have guessed that?
"We've evaluated ourselves and concluded that we are superior."
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#64> Once the students were selected, the researchers then administered the Major Field Test in Computer Science, an exam that was developed by the U.S. Educational Testing Service and is regularly updated. There is a huge variation among countries in how subjects are taught and tested. I would like to add that many of my peers have resorted to streamlining for whiteboard interviews, and unsurprisingly, they end up with…
I took a look at the sample questions for the test, having never heard of it. It's 66 multiple choice questions, and many of them seem like “gotcha” questions where one of the answers is an off-by-one error or something like that. And how about this lovely question: > A personal identification number that opens a certain lock consists of a sequence of 3 DIFFERENT digits from 0 though 9, inclusive. How many possible P…
i am lost. how can a sequence of 3 digits be 4 digits long?
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#65> making sure that both the educational institutions and students enrolled at those schools were statistically representative of schools and computer science students throughout the respective nations. Given the typical CS student body, this basically means Indian, Chinese, and Russian students studying at US universities performed better than those studying at Indian, Chinese, and Russian universities... Either beca…
What about culture? Computer programming languages and paradigms have all been developed under western culture; they're written in english with logic that is derived from western philosophy.
Without being fully absorbed in this culture, you will lack the key thing that makes you go "ah ha! I get it!"
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
> most technically interesting Like making six figures a year for screwing people over at Facebook? Sorry for being snarky, but lots of jobs in IT businesses in the US tend to be somewhat unhelpful for the society at all and not really providing any benefit in the long term. In regard of this I'm always somewhat "happy" that we fail in Europe with building "the next Google", "the next Facebook" or whatever.
You must come from a well off background to afford the luxury of morality when choosing jobs. While you might be happy Europe has no six figure SW jobs, I, not being able afford a decent house in a decent area to raise a family on your average Austrian SW dev salary, am not, and would gladly take a FAANG job any day regardless of how morally questionable it may seem from your McMansion. My family's well being comes f…
You haven't got the slightest idea of my background but rest assured it's rather the opposite of "well off", coming from a small village in the middle of literally nowhere in Germany.
Maybe because of that we're holding values and standards like "do no evil" high, because there are more important things than money.
I can't afford a house in a decent area either, but I'm pretty sure I won't fuck up lives with my job. And I'm still making enough money to support my family and keep everything going.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I took a look at the sample questions for the test, having never heard of it. It's 66 multiple choice questions, and many of them seem like “gotcha” questions where one of the answers is an off-by-one error or something like that. And how about this lovely question: > A personal identification number that opens a certain lock consists of a sequence of 3 DIFFERENT digits from 0 though 9, inclusive. How many possible P…
That question first and foremost tests English reading abilities. Many mathematically gifted non-native speakers (and indeed native speakers) would miss-understand the "different".
"The exam was translated for the students in China and Russia."
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
I took a look at the sample questions for the test, having never heard of it. It's 66 multiple choice questions, and many of them seem like “gotcha” questions where one of the answers is an off-by-one error or something like that. And how about this lovely question: > A personal identification number that opens a certain lock consists of a sequence of 3 DIFFERENT digits from 0 though 9, inclusive. How many possible P…
i am lost. how can a sequence of 3 digits be 4 digits long?
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I took a look at the sample questions for the test, having never heard of it. It's 66 multiple choice questions, and many of them seem like “gotcha” questions where one of the answers is an off-by-one error or something like that. And how about this lovely question: > A personal identification number that opens a certain lock consists of a sequence of 3 DIFFERENT digits from 0 though 9, inclusive. How many possible P…
i am lost. how can a sequence of 3 digits be 4 digits long?
Where does it say it has to be 4 digits long? Most PINs are I guess, but you could have 3 digit pins just as easily.
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#70> making sure that both the educational institutions and students enrolled at those schools were statistically representative of schools and computer science students throughout the respective nations. Given the typical CS student body, this basically means Indian, Chinese, and Russian students studying at US universities performed better than those studying at Indian, Chinese, and Russian universities... Either beca…
What about culture? Computer programming languages and paradigms have all been developed under western culture; they're written in english with logic that is derived from western philosophy. Without being fully absorbed in this culture, you will lack the key thing that makes you go "ah ha! I get it!"
That would be a good explanation if people from other cultures couldn't program worth a damn, but they clearly can.