here's the outline (1) version without paywall https://outline.com/HrWjwE (1)
One not about caviar: https://outline.com/ewEegB
In a study of senior CS majors, U.S. students are tops in skills
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#32> When it comes to computer science skills, U.S. students approaching graduation have a significant advantage over their peers in China, India, and Russia. So much for "world domination".
meanwhile European CS students, with their fellow students from the UK, Switzerland, Korea, Japan, [add whatever country you like except the 3 which are - on average - worst than the US in CS) are busy getting even more better than the average CS US student
Going to need a citation on that. The US presently dominates the tech sector. Rankings of programs are generally to be taken with a grain of salt, but MIT, Stanford, UCB and Carnegie Mellon all rank the top 4 on almost any list you'll find.
Meanwhile, in the UK CS grads have the highest unemployment among any field, and have maintained that "award" for nearly a decade. That certainly indicates that your educational programs for CS are lacking if you didn't go to a school named Oxford or Cambridge.
There's a lot of ways you can measure which country has the better educational system for a given degree type, but there's very few metrics that indicate anything other than the EU being way behind the US.
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#33What did they want to find out with this study and why did they leave out Europe? Also: Did they consider the possibility that the test was biased since it "was developed by the U.S. Educational Testing Service"? I guess the exams that Chinese students get might be different from this one, while it is probably a familiar structure for US students...
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#35> making sure that both the educational institutions and students enrolled at those schools were statistically representative of schools and computer science students throughout the respective nations. Given the typical CS student body, this basically means Indian, Chinese, and Russian students studying at US universities performed better than those studying at Indian, Chinese, and Russian universities... Either beca…
>Given the typical CS student body, this basically means Indian, Chinese, and Russian students studying at US universities performed better than those studying at Indian, Chinese, and Russian universities
Once you get down to the average university, the number of foreigners in undergrad classes drops dramatically - it's just too expensive for most foreigners to pay out of state tuition unless it is a prestigious university.
In my undergrad, most of my engineering classes had only one or two foreign students.
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#36> Once the students were selected, the researchers then administered the Major Field Test in Computer Science, an exam that was developed by the U.S. Educational Testing Service and is regularly updated. There is a huge variation among countries in how subjects are taught and tested. I would like to add that many of my peers have resorted to streamlining for whiteboard interviews, and unsurprisingly, they end up with…
I took a look at the sample questions for the test, having never heard of it. It's 66 multiple choice questions, and many of them seem like “gotcha” questions where one of the answers is an off-by-one error or something like that.
And how about this lovely question:
> A personal identification number that opens a certain lock consists of a sequence of 3 DIFFERENT digits from 0 though 9, inclusive. How many possible PINs are there?
Putting aside the value of this question in the first place, the correct answer is 720 but it also includes the answer 1000 in case you didn't notice the emphasis on “different”.
Doesn't seem like a great test to me unless it's about your reading comprehension and ability to decipher code with single-letter variable names.
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#37here's the outline (1) version without paywall https://outline.com/HrWjwE (1)
I’m not sure if this is a deep commentary about how increased Chinese supply corresponds to decreased money for American producers, or if this was the wrong link. Either way, an interesting article to read!
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#38> When it comes to computer science skills, U.S. students approaching graduation have a significant advantage over their peers in China, India, and Russia. There are a few explanations for this 1.) Programming is an English skillset, which the native English-speaking countries have an advantage. Out of the native English speaking countries (US, England, Canada, Australia, and others), US has the biggest economy, the…
I don't think so. I'm specifically referring to India, which is all English. All education in India happens in English - it is our primary official language. I think the difference is in the teachers. This difference is most likely originating because of the education given in univs by good professors. Everyone has access to the online courses/MOOC
> All education in India happens in English
That is incorrect. In urban areas in India, schools teach in English but in rural areas it's in Hindi. In urban areas, only if it's a big city, then peer to peer communication is in English. However, in other cities, the only interaction in English is with a teacher; other times is in the native tongue.
And even if the students in big cities are learning mainly in English, the teachers are usually not native English speakers, which means that the grammer/pronounciation suffers. which is what you see with Indian engineers that have migrated to other countries.
https://www.quora.com/What-language-is-used-in-schools-in-In...
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is also huge variation within countries. The curriculum is basically up to each college or university in the US. I never took this test.
I would assume ABET certified programs would have certain standards or requirements regarding he schools’ curriculums.
There are 5 Universities in India with ABET certified courses. None rank among the top 30 in the nation.
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#40Details on the test:
https://www.ets.org/mft/about/content/computer_science
Journal paper is here: