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Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by lustysocietyorg »

thedaemon wrote: post #261
lustysocietyorg wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With a vegan diet, you need vitamin B12 supplements. Take a multi-vitamin supplement, some linseed oil for the essential fatty acids and maybe some mineral supplement if appropriate according to the blood test. You should do that anyway no matter your diet. Dr Garth Davis: Americans have become obsessed with Protein https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQCt3IhaUtU&feature=youtu.be...

Supplements are a scam industry and you should not be advising anyone to waste their time and money on supplements. https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/02/supplements-are-a-30...

With a vegan diet, you need vitamin B12 supplements.

From the linked article:

> Overall, multivitamins are not recommended for the generally healthy. There’s just no clear evidence to prove that they have any benefit. A 2013 analysis of 27 trials involving more than 400,000 people concluded that there was no clear evidence that they reduce cardiovascular disease, cancer risks, or reduce all-cause mortality.

This makes no sense.

You have a vegan diet to reduce cardiovascular disease, cancer risks, or reduce all-cause mortality.

You take vitamin supplements to prevent potential deficiencies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1Ca6SsKfE

http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27886704/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21139125/

The need for vitamins and essential fatty acids is scientifically proven.

Better safe than sorry. Multi-vitamin supplements are cheap enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by hutzlibu »

lawlessone wrote: post #220
cableshaft wrote: post #207

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Some people consider that vegetarian, but I never understood that myself. When I was vegetarian, I didn't eat fish. I did eat eggs, though. Since they were unfertilized I didn't have a problem with them, and it helped me stick with the diet for as long as I did.

>Some people consider that vegetarian, it's a christian cultural thing, mostly catholic. because the church decided fish aren't meat.

Ah, I allways wondered about that as being stupid well, now with that institution as the cause, it makes sense.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by NoblePublius »

overthemoon wrote: post #226
cageface wrote: post #35

These stories rarely mention this for some reason but the bulk of the plastic junk in the ocean is discarded fishing nets, not consumer waste. Reducing the plastic waste you personally generate is still a good idea, of course, but if you really want to have an impact then stop eating fish. https://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/ocean-plastic-made-disca... https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/03/great-pacific-ga...

This is still framed as a consumer problem rather than a regulatory problem--eat fish or don't, market participation isn't going to get you nearly as far as regulation.

Exactly this. Because CSR scam artists can’t extort brands with a campaign to regulate fishing nets. #StopStopSucking

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by sgregnt »

overthemoon wrote: post #226
cageface wrote: post #35

These stories rarely mention this for some reason but the bulk of the plastic junk in the ocean is discarded fishing nets, not consumer waste. Reducing the plastic waste you personally generate is still a good idea, of course, but if you really want to have an impact then stop eating fish. https://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/ocean-plastic-made-disca... https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/03/great-pacific-ga...

This is still framed as a consumer problem rather than a regulatory problem--eat fish or don't, market participation isn't going to get you nearly as far as regulation.

Sale every whale on earth to a private firm that has ownership over the whales, this will solve this problem immediately and once and for all.

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Post by EpicEng »

makerofspoons wrote: post #223
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #215

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Eventually that may be a socially untenable practice, what with meat consumption being linked to so many ethical and environmental issues.

Between the cancer risk posed by red and processed meat as well as the environmental damage, I expect meat consumption to go the way of smoking within a generation.

And eggs are bad, and if you want to lose weight eat less fat and more pasta!

I don't trust anything that comes from these people. They don't have the ability to properly test their hypotheses.

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Post by cazum »

bsenftner wrote: post #250
cageface wrote: post #227

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Regulation is slow and difficult, particularly when there are industries with a lot of lobbying money ready to fight it. I'm all for regulation but it will be too late if we don't do anything in the meantime.

Ya know, it should not matter how much lobby money is thrown at a politician or political party when the desire of the lobby money harms the nation. That right there is a litmus test for a captured, useless to the citizens, politician.

It's not really all that useful to place the blame on the individual politician when they are all susceptible to this behaviour.

It's like how in my town there's a stretch of road that is really shitty. All potholes and uneven road. Almost all drivers I've seen go over it way too fast and often damage their vehicles. Sure, I can blame each individual driver for not being 100% attentive, but when they all fuck up in the same way, some blame must be placed on the conditions that allowed them to all make the same error.

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Post by seanwilson »

lm28469 wrote: post #235
seanwilson wrote: post #224

For people saying vegan diets might not be healthy it's trivial to find information online about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegan_nutrition > The American Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (formerly known as the American Dietetic Association), Dietitians of Canada and the British Dietetic Association[6] state that well-planned vegan diets can meet all human nutrient requirements and are appropriate for all…

Our bodies evolved to make us omnivores, I don't see why we should restrain ourselves to such extent. What we need is moderation and sustainable means of production. This is clearly misaligned with our current lifestyles though. [0] In a few generations we went from "meat/fish is a once in a week delicacy" to "cheap meat at every single meal" (see the so called "meat lovers" thinking they're entitled to 2 pounds of b…

> Our bodies evolved to make us omnivores, I don't see why we should restrain ourselves to such extent.

How is this not just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy?

> What we need is moderation and sustainable means of production. This is clearly misaligned with our current lifestyles though. [0]

> In a few generations we went from "meat/fish is a once in a week delicacy" to "cheap meat at every single meal" (see the so called "meat lovers" thinking they're entitled to 2 pounds of bacon a day).

This seems to agree with you:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/10/huge-red...

> Food production already causes great damage to the environment, via greenhouse gases from livestock, deforestation and water shortages from farming, and vast ocean dead zones from agricultural pollution. But without action, its impact will get far worse as the world population rises by 2.3 billion people by 2050 and global income triples, enabling more people to eat meat-rich western diets.

> The researchers found a global shift to a “flexitarian” diet was needed to keep climate change even under 2C, let alone 1.5C. This flexitarian diet means the average world citizen needs to eat 75% less beef, 90% less pork and half the number of eggs, while tripling consumption of beans and pulses and quadrupling nuts and seeds. This would halve emissions from livestock and better management of manure would enable further cuts.

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Post by DanBC »

rootusrootus wrote: post #243
makerofspoons wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Between the cancer risk posed by red and processed meat as well as the environmental damage, I expect meat consumption to go the way of smoking within a generation.

Given the sad state of nutritional "science" and the extremely low odds of it getting better anytime soon, I think it's just as likely we'll shortly find out that red meat reduces your cancer risk.

The science is solid. We know that red meat, especially processed red meat, definitely causes cancer. The evidence so good that the evidence is now in the same trust-worthy class as the evidence that tells us smoking causes cancer.

But red meat doesn't cause very much cancer. There's a low risk of colorectal cancer, and red meat (even processed red meat) increases that risk by a small amount.

To prevent one case of cancer from red meat a large number of people have to give it up.

I disagree with parent poster. If people can assess risk they'll see a small increase of a low risk, and decide there are other things to worry about. If people can't assess risk (the vast majority of people) they'll decide if they like bacon enough to keep eating it, just as they do with alcohol or anything else.

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Post by [deleted] »

sgregnt wrote: post #274
overthemoon wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is still framed as a consumer problem rather than a regulatory problem--eat fish or don't, market participation isn't going to get you nearly as far as regulation.

Sale every whale on earth to a private firm that has ownership over the whales, this will solve this problem immediately and once and for all.

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Post by QuantumAphid »

Lewton wrote: post #84
xondono wrote: post #66

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Not trying to start the flame war, but this: >We don't need to eat meat or fish at all to be healthy Is still heavily disputed in nutrition circles.

Can you link to any material? I really don’t think any nutritional scientist would claim it’s impossible to be healthy as a vegetarian. Whether it’s easier with meat or feasible for all people is something else

It's important here to realize that irrespective of your diet-- vegetarian, vegan, omnivore, carnivore and everything in between-- these are just labels and any of these can be bad for your health.

For example, the following highly processed and sugary foods are considered vegan/vegetarian-friendly: French fries from most fast-food chains, Oreo cookies, Fritos corn chips, Lays potato chips, unfrosted Pop-Tarts, Nature Valley Granola Bars, Graham Crackers.

I would not trust an endorsement of a diet from a health organization. Over the past 30-40 years most modern countries have been experiencing a surge in chronic diseases such as cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure and strokes. If you look at the places around the globe where Western diets have been introduced (e.g., Hawaii and Polynesia, Aboriginal tribes of Australia, Inuit in polar regions etc.), you see wrecked health markers for those populations after abandoning their local indiginous diets. Health organizations have done a disservice in the realm of nutrition and health.

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