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KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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I find it extremely scary to make business with Google. Their robot would get your account banned, all cloud, play and every other thing with it. Every hour it is banned would be lost money and lost customers. This is not my problem, really. It is Google's public image as I seen it soulless support for last 10 years, and stories like this pop up time to time. Too sad they pretty much locked in Android app market, and…

Ech at least on android you can easily install apps outside of google play. _I_ find it scary to make business with as you can be pretty much _snapped_ out of existance in a single decision.

I don't really follow the argument. If you are a commercial company, the Play store is pretty much all that matters in terms of business viability. At a commercial level, the fact a few geeks can side-load apps is next to irrelevant. Who builds a business on side-loaded apps?

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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Ech at least on android you can easily install apps outside of google play. _I_ find it scary to make business with as you can be pretty much _snapped_ out of existance in a single decision.

I don't really follow the argument. If you are a commercial company, the Play store is pretty much all that matters in terms of business viability. At a commercial level, the fact a few geeks can side-load apps is next to irrelevant. Who builds a business on side-loaded apps?

Epic Games, apparently.

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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My current phone has been falling apart for a while and I've already replaced the back 3 times and the camera. With the battery going out and the back starting to crack again under the case, I decided I'm getting sick of Android. My next device needs to be something I can easily run Plasma on. Maybe I'll pre-order a Purism phone. I want a real open source phone, similar to running a Linux distro on my PC in the late…

Sadly I think the Purism phone just was pushed back wasn't it?

It will start to ship in Q3 this year.

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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Ech at least on android you can easily install apps outside of google play. _I_ find it scary to make business with as you can be pretty much _snapped_ out of existance in a single decision.

I don't really follow the argument. If you are a commercial company, the Play store is pretty much all that matters in terms of business viability. At a commercial level, the fact a few geeks can side-load apps is next to irrelevant. Who builds a business on side-loaded apps?

The alternative to google play would presumably be the apple app store which, if they ban you, there is no side channel.

If your desire is to build a mobile app, you don't really have a lot of options.

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This is KDE Connect, not Snapchat. Joe Linuxonthedesktop has definitely heard of F-Droid.

Speaking as a KDE Connect user who's heard of F-Droid, I installed F-Droid, then deinstalled it. It was too noisy and intrusive. When I told it I didn't want to replace an app with its version it kept asking again and again, every day at least. Since then I've head that the F-Droid operators insist on signing all apps themselves, instead of the developers' signature. That's as bad as the TLS inteceptors that insist o…

I trust the F-Droid maintainers more than J. Random app developer, honestly.

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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It's on every android device by default; to use any other repository you have to 1) know it exists and 2) know how to get it. Even if 2) does not require rooting your device or voiding warranty it's 1) that damps on the spread of the alternatives, because people in general don't know they have a choice; because they don't look for the alternative as the problem of "how do I get the apps?" is solved for them right at…

> it’s on every android device by default Amazon tablets do not have the Google Play store.

"Android device" as in devices marketed as Android devices.

Context is not hard people. Don't nit because you can.

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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"I rebuilt the same application with the SMS feature removed and the Play Store Developer Console was very unclear and buggy on how to resolve the issue and get my app out of the rejected status." Holy cow I had the same issue. Ended up having to just make a brand new one with a new name. It was a horrible experience. A version on a beta channel had SMS permissions requested, but there was no way to get rid of it. Yo…

I was afraid of having to do exactly that, create a new app with a new name and move all of the customers over... I ended up fixing it eventually by somehow clearing all versions in alpha/beta channels and uploading a new fixed version without the SMS permission with increased version number multiple times, and then bubbling that up to production. For reference, we only used READ SMS permission in this app to improve…

  we only used READ SMS permission in this app
  to improve the phone number validation process
What's wrong with the SMS Retriever API [1] which seems to be designed explicitly for this purpose?

[1] https://developers.google.com/identity/sms-retriever/overvie...

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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Speaking as a KDE Connect user who's heard of F-Droid, I installed F-Droid, then deinstalled it. It was too noisy and intrusive. When I told it I didn't want to replace an app with its version it kept asking again and again, every day at least. Since then I've head that the F-Droid operators insist on signing all apps themselves, instead of the developers' signature. That's as bad as the TLS inteceptors that insist o…

Fdroid maintainers require shipped apk's to have 0 non-free components. The only way to ensure that is to build the apps themselves (so that they can verify code and control dependencies). This means that they can only use their own keys.

No it doesn't. They could check the developer's signature against an APK built from source. It's not that difficult.

BTW. In my case the app they urged me to replace the stock keyboard with a version that had been built without support for Norwegian. Is the language data in Android non-free?

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Speaking as a KDE Connect user who's heard of F-Droid, I installed F-Droid, then deinstalled it. It was too noisy and intrusive. When I told it I didn't want to replace an app with its version it kept asking again and again, every day at least. Since then I've head that the F-Droid operators insist on signing all apps themselves, instead of the developers' signature. That's as bad as the TLS inteceptors that insist o…

Fdroid maintainers require shipped apk's to have 0 non-free components. The only way to ensure that is to build the apps themselves (so that they can verify code and control dependencies). This means that they can only use their own keys.

You’re even able to ship your own builds signed with your own developer key on F-Droid if F-Droid is able to build the exact same APK themselves.

Reproducible builds are the best option for such a store :)

Re: KDE Connect removed from Google Play store for violating new policy on SMS

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I'm a linux user, I've never heard of it and the friction would make me hesitate

What friction? It's easier to use than the Play Store.

It also doesn't come preinstalled on any devices I'm aware of, which adds a significant amount of friction.

Even once you've installed it, it can't auto-update apps.

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