Not tackling pattern matching is a pretty big deficiency. Otherwise, it seems interesting, and I wonder if :i-o would really be easier to type than IO for most use cases.
Lisk — Lisp and Haskell
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Re: Lisk — Lisp and Haskell
#12Shouldn't: def fib(n): if n Be: ... if n ? Or am I being stupid? EDIT: changed x to n.
Re: Lisk — Lisp and Haskell
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's definitely wrong - just ran it in python to check in case I was missing something!
I don't think it's explicitly wrong; I've seen both fib(0) = 1 and fib(0) = 0 before. Wikipedia shows: By definition, the first two Fibonacci numbers are 0 and 1, and each subsequent number is the sum of the previous two. Some sources omit the initial 0, instead beginning the sequence with two 1s.
EDIT: Actually, I think you're right: it's just an index thing (do we start at 1 or 0) - I was confusing the index of 2 with the value of 2.
Re: Lisk — Lisp and Haskell
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
works with both - try it on paper
I did - with 2: fib(2) = fib(2-1) + fib(2-2) fib(2) = fib(1) + fib(0) fib(2) = 1 + 1 (rather than 1 + 0) No?
Re: Lisk — Lisp and Haskell
#15Shouldn't: def fib(n): if n Be: ... if n ? Or am I being stupid? EDIT: changed x to n.
You must mean "return n", but I don't have an opinion on "correct" behvior. All that's happening is the index is shifted by 1.
However, it's certainly different to the other examples and I would expect fib(2) to be 1 + 0 not 1 + 1.
It's a very minor point though - I think I'll stop now ;)
Re: Lisk — Lisp and Haskell
#16Taking the authors example and moving some of the processing to a where clause makes the flow much easier to follow:
someFunction conn (Foo n) (K {x=zot}) plib = do
withTransaction conn $ \db ->
coconut (fromMaybe "" $ sausages >>= bacon)
Also one of my favorite features of Haskell is using the $ as an unmatched left parenthesis, saving you from that blob of closing parenthesis that every lisp expression accumulates.One last thing, the author complains about the ambiguity of the indentation, but doesn't make any comment about the brace & semi-colon syntax. I personally don't like it, but it should be explained why it isn't an acceptable solution.
Re: Lisk — Lisp and Haskell
#17Python's is more restrictive: you must skip a line before starting a multi-line indented block; i.e., this is not legal:
if a == b: print "asdf"
print "a"
else:
print "a"
This lets you decide on a very simple rule for dealing with whitespace indentation: Each new block is started by inserting a carriage return and the proper number of tabs.Not so in Haskell, because you are given the freedom to put the first line of a block in the same line as the block starter:
let x = 1
y = 2
do x
Now you need to decide whether to be 3 or 4 spaces in depending on whether it is a let or do block. You cannot use the rule, because the appropriate number of spaces is no longer a multiple of your indentation unit.That's just the simple case, because you are also allowed to put these block starters (let, do, case, etc) at arbitrary points in an expression:
f = let x = 1 in let y = x + 2 in
y + 1
This is syntactically correct Haskell; but personally I like the idea of lexical scope being represented by indentation level, which is not reflected here.It becomes very easy to get yourself into situations where you cannot use the Python rule. But you can also impose restrictions on yourself so you _can_ use that rule. Like always treating let, do, in, etc as "{"'s in C:
f = let
x = 1
in
let
y = x + 2
in
y + 1
This may look a little verbose. But in real cases there would be a lot more statements there. In the middle of all this I want to maintain the idea "number of tabs corresponds to lexical scope". We can also push the analogy to "{"'s in C and adopt the "K&R" style, but on block-starting expressions: f = let
x = 1 in let
y = x + 2 in
y + 1
There's also the solution of editors that just figure out where to indent, in which case we can make it look pretty and still get the indentation right. I think it's best to develop a consistent style that will work across editors though.Re: Lisk — Lisp and Haskell
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#19While programming in Haskell I also struggled with Haskell's brand of whitespace indentation, even though I come from Python. The key difference in usability between Python's whitespace indentation system and Haskell's indentation system is that you cannot start the lines in a block on the same line as the block. Python's is more restrictive: you must skip a line before starting a multi-line indented block; i.e., thi…
let a = 3 in
f a
That seems alright to me, but I wonder why my intuition prefers it.Re: Lisk — Lisp and Haskell
#20While programming in Haskell I also struggled with Haskell's brand of whitespace indentation, even though I come from Python. The key difference in usability between Python's whitespace indentation system and Haskell's indentation system is that you cannot start the lines in a block on the same line as the block. Python's is more restrictive: you must skip a line before starting a multi-line indented block; i.e., thi…
let x = y
in do something
something with
( lots
. of
. args
)
something else
Is not that hard to read for me, and actually looks quite nice.And if you're getting those terribly long-expressions, break them up. They can always be broken out in a let expression to be simpler, and with let the precedence is obvious.
map (alpha . bravo) . filter charlie xray yankee >> zulu
might be better written as let f1 = map (alpha . bravo) . filter charlee xray
f2 = yankee
result = f1 f2
in result >> zulu
Haskell has the ability to write great one-liners, just like Perl, but it takes discipline not to use them.Of course naming your variables descriptively helps a lot too. Examples with single-variable names are probably not the best.