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Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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I eat McDonald's once or twice a month and I'm looked down upon for eating junk food, meanwhile a whale eats nothing but _literal_ junk and it makes the news and the whale is called a victim? Something doesn't add up here.

You had a choice. The whale didn’t. Its also not that smart enough to reason about stuff. If someone forced you to eat plastic for the better part of a year, you’d be called a victim too.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

#102
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trying to start the flame war, but this: >We don't need to eat meat or fish at all to be healthy Is still heavily disputed in nutrition circles.

It's not. The American Dietetics Association states as its official position that a vegan diet is healthful and adequate for all stages of life: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864 There's currently quite a bit of debate over whether or not plant-based diets are better than other diets, but not over whether or not they are healthy.

The position statement was REMOVED on the request of Academy Positions Committee (APC) of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics for "inaccuracies and omissions". https://jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(15)00261-0/abstrac...

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

#103
post #89

These stories rarely mention this for some reason but the bulk of the plastic junk in the ocean is discarded fishing nets, not consumer waste. Reducing the plastic waste you personally generate is still a good idea, of course, but if you really want to have an impact then stop eating fish. https://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/ocean-plastic-made-disca... https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/03/great-pacific-ga...

Citation needed. 8 million tons of plastic waste enter the ocean every year. You're telling me there's 4 million tons (8 billion pounds) of fishing nets every year? Nope.

Citations provided in original comment. Take it up with national geo if you have isssues with it.

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post #56

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I am not sure that is good advice. Fixing the fishing industry is important, overfishing is rampant as is plastic waste from it. But fish is probably one of the best alternatives we have to other environmentally unfriendly meats we currently raise. As populations grow it is proving to be key to keeping everyone fed. Farmed fish most importantly will soon be the majority of fish consumed. Getting ocean based fishing t…

Fish farming generally uses ocean fish as feed. In terms of CO2, chicken is about as environmentally friendly as animal proteins get. Chickens also don’t really require any special diet and grow quickly. Dealing with chicken waste is a problem, but if you live in the US, chicken “litter” is fed to cows.

Among "Effective Altruism" rationalist circles, some of them prefer eating beef because a single cow produces a lot more meat than a single chicken, hence less suffering-year units per kilo of meat.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Just like Climate Change, oceanic plastic pollution is a case of Tragedy of the commons. I can separate my waste and recycle as much as I want (and I do!) but it’s all useless if a random idiot proceeds to dump my weekly household recycling output into a river and call it a day. This is nothing that can be solved with personal initiative and responsibility; it requires international regulation and enforcement. There’…

I disagree. Tragedy of the Commons is a situation that is about the management of wildlife and natural resources for the purposes of maximizing yield, with the lesson being regulated consumption results in maximal natural harvest. Pollution is just a negative economic externality, or consequence of an action that is unseen by the participants, where more pollution is always worse. Unfortunately, no one owns the ocean…

„No one owns the oceans“ = commons

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post #71

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Is this fake recycling happening on any kind of scale? This seems like something which could be pretty easily mitigated against by citizens following up with their local cities to verify that things are actually ending up at recycling plants. I'd be furious, considering what I pay for these services if I were to find out they aren't actually recycling. I guess I'll have to look into my local situation. This is a frus…

> Is this fake recycling happening on any kind of scale? Guess who will be the lowest bidder? Even if there is some actual recycling and the trash can be sold for a positive value, chances are that someone who only picks the easiest valuables and then illegally dumps the rest will be able to outbid a more responsible competitor. It's just the natural outcome of a disposal market and it is incredibly difficult to regu…

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Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure that is good advice. Fixing the fishing industry is important, overfishing is rampant as is plastic waste from it. But fish is probably one of the best alternatives we have to other environmentally unfriendly meats we currently raise. As populations grow it is proving to be key to keeping everyone fed. Farmed fish most importantly will soon be the majority of fish consumed. Getting ocean based fishing t…

We don't need to eat meat or fish at all to be healthy, and meat & fish are very resource intensive. We're better off redirecting all the resources we currently waste trying to feed 8 billion people this way into sustainable, plant-based diets anyway.

You also have to account the supplements needed for a pure vegan diet. The best option is probably to buy the fish fresh from your local fisherman.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

#108
The problem is that micro-plastics are eaten by the fish and end up in our plate.

It gets worse because pollutants in fish bioaccumulate a lot (fish eats smaller fish, gets eaten by larger fish etc.).

Fish high in the food chain like salmon have a lot higher concentration of these pollutants, to the point that it's not even recommended food for pregnant women anymore.

Farmed fish also creates bioaccumulation, because it gets fed other smaller fish, like sardines.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

#109
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trying to start the flame war, but this: >We don't need to eat meat or fish at all to be healthy Is still heavily disputed in nutrition circles.

It's not. The American Dietetics Association states as its official position that a vegan diet is healthful and adequate for all stages of life: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864 There's currently quite a bit of debate over whether or not plant-based diets are better than other diets, but not over whether or not they are healthy.

> for all stages of life

Even for babies?

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

#110
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation needed. 8 million tons of plastic waste enter the ocean every year. You're telling me there's 4 million tons (8 billion pounds) of fishing nets every year? Nope.

Citations provided in original comment. Take it up with national geo if you have isssues with it.

The articles talk about "the great Pacific garbage patch".

It's not clear that this goes for all garbage in the oceans.

Still very surprising though, seems like something that could be regulated.

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