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Atlassian Acquires AgileCraft for $166M

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Re: Atlassian Acquires AgileCraft for $166M

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Post by ndnxhs »

keithnz wrote: post #7

I've been really unimpressed with atlassian over the last few years. We started with bitbucket before it was acquired, it was super robust, then once atlassian got it slowly small bug after small bug kept making it into production creating mini headaches and they never seem like its super important to them. We also have Confluence, which is okish, but again, small bug after small bug keeps creeping in, like at the mo…

I'm amazed bitbucket still exists considering both gitlab and github are so far ahead of it. I have to use it at work and its missing half the features I need.

Re: Atlassian Acquires AgileCraft for $166M

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Post by tomrod »

Waterluvian wrote: post #13
yaseenk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI it’s Full Time _Equivalent_. E.g a new feature may require 1 FTE for 1 week. That doesn’t necessarily mean 1 person 1 week. It may be 2 people 2.5 days each, etc.

Or 9 women to birth a baby in a month. I don't like being reduced to a quantifiable amount. You end up with crappy managers who have secret multipliers for every employee to try to make their crappy estimates work. Nothing makes your colleagues dislike you more than it accidentally slipping that your manager sees you as worth 2.5 of them.

Truth. Even saving their bacon, time and again, doesn't help.

Re: Atlassian Acquires AgileCraft for $166M

#53

Post by walterbell »

Benjammer wrote: post #10

All this advanced tracking/planning stuff from companies like Atlassian seem to me like some kind of weird, dystopian "C-Suite-Porn." The going narrative seems to be this idea that companies have, throughout the history of business, been guided completely by the whims and emotional fancies of the leadership team and/or CEO. And now we're adding tools to surface more and more status tracking information up to the C Su…

> These products seem to play directly into the psyche of the typical narcissist CEO who wants to know everything that is going on at the company, right now

Or a future AI "CEO" that is optimizing across a portfolio of companies.

Re: Atlassian Acquires AgileCraft for $166M

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Post by Benjammer »

walterbell wrote: post #53
Benjammer wrote: post #10

All this advanced tracking/planning stuff from companies like Atlassian seem to me like some kind of weird, dystopian "C-Suite-Porn." The going narrative seems to be this idea that companies have, throughout the history of business, been guided completely by the whims and emotional fancies of the leadership team and/or CEO. And now we're adding tools to surface more and more status tracking information up to the C Su…

> These products seem to play directly into the psyche of the typical narcissist CEO who wants to know everything that is going on at the company, right now Or a future AI "CEO" that is optimizing across a portfolio of companies.

I do not believe that the tradeoff you are making by optimizing around data collection rather than getting things done will ever pay off, regardless of how perfect the top level algorithm is. Call me a pessimist. Maybe when we also have AI programmers at the beck and call of this AI CEO then it might be fine.

Re: Atlassian Acquires AgileCraft for $166M

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Post by meritt »

ndnxhs wrote: post #51
keithnz wrote: post #7

I've been really unimpressed with atlassian over the last few years. We started with bitbucket before it was acquired, it was super robust, then once atlassian got it slowly small bug after small bug kept making it into production creating mini headaches and they never seem like its super important to them. We also have Confluence, which is okish, but again, small bug after small bug keeps creeping in, like at the mo…

I'm amazed bitbucket still exists considering both gitlab and github are so far ahead of it. I have to use it at work and its missing half the features I need.

Curious, what features do you need that are missing? We use bitbucket but honestly I never log into the interface (because it does seem just like an unnecessary visualization of what I can see on the command line). It's mostly just a hosted backup for our repo.

So maybe I'm missing a ton of awesome features that github/gitlab provide?

Re: Atlassian Acquires AgileCraft for $166M

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Post by pcurve »

GordonS wrote: post #21
Benjammer wrote: post #10

All this advanced tracking/planning stuff from companies like Atlassian seem to me like some kind of weird, dystopian "C-Suite-Porn." The going narrative seems to be this idea that companies have, throughout the history of business, been guided completely by the whims and emotional fancies of the leadership team and/or CEO. And now we're adding tools to surface more and more status tracking information up to the C Su…

> seem to me like some kind of weird, dystopian "C-Suite-Porn." I hate Confluence and am absolutely stealing that phrase!

I think he/she was commenting more about JIRA.

Confluence is actually pretty useful.

Re: Atlassian Acquires AgileCraft for $166M

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Post by wbl »

meritt wrote: post #55
ndnxhs wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm amazed bitbucket still exists considering both gitlab and github are so far ahead of it. I have to use it at work and its missing half the features I need.

Curious, what features do you need that are missing? We use bitbucket but honestly I never log into the interface (because it does seem just like an unnecessary visualization of what I can see on the command line). It's mostly just a hosted backup for our repo. So maybe I'm missing a ton of awesome features that github/gitlab provide?

The change review interface is awful: no way to indicate when its done and needs to be cycles from either end. I loathe the way in which navigating histories and contexts for changes don't work: if I want to search for a past change by commit message it is grep time.

Re: Atlassian Acquires AgileCraft for $166M

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Post by pcurve »

Benjammer wrote: post #10

All this advanced tracking/planning stuff from companies like Atlassian seem to me like some kind of weird, dystopian "C-Suite-Porn." The going narrative seems to be this idea that companies have, throughout the history of business, been guided completely by the whims and emotional fancies of the leadership team and/or CEO. And now we're adding tools to surface more and more status tracking information up to the C Su…

Essence of your post is so well reflected in the video on the bottom of this page.

https://agilecraft.com/

So much mumbo jumbo that says absolutely nothing.

Re: Atlassian Acquires AgileCraft for $166M

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Post by pcurve »

keithnz wrote: post #7

I've been really unimpressed with atlassian over the last few years. We started with bitbucket before it was acquired, it was super robust, then once atlassian got it slowly small bug after small bug kept making it into production creating mini headaches and they never seem like its super important to them. We also have Confluence, which is okish, but again, small bug after small bug keeps creeping in, like at the mo…

Maybe it's time for me to sell. I've had their stocks since IPO. The only reason why I'm holding on is because they could be potential buyout candidate. Their current valuation is pretty silly, but then again, it's always been pretty silly.

Re: Atlassian Acquires AgileCraft for $166M

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Post by ralph84 »

ndnxhs wrote: post #51
keithnz wrote: post #7

I've been really unimpressed with atlassian over the last few years. We started with bitbucket before it was acquired, it was super robust, then once atlassian got it slowly small bug after small bug kept making it into production creating mini headaches and they never seem like its super important to them. We also have Confluence, which is okish, but again, small bug after small bug keeps creeping in, like at the mo…

I'm amazed bitbucket still exists considering both gitlab and github are so far ahead of it. I have to use it at work and its missing half the features I need.

Atlassian more or less gives bitbucket away, so it checks the box for management who care more about license cost than developer happiness/productivity.
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