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Re: New iPad Air and iPad Mini

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Post by chrisseaton »

scarface74 wrote: post #347
chrisseaton wrote: post #345

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If you can't get reliable WiFi maybe the iPad isn't the product for you? I don't think that's an issue - there's loads of other products on the market and people who do want the clean Apple experience can get that. Why do all products have to do everything and suit the entire world's crazy workflows? You end up with a Homer Car.

And I am sure it makes perfect sense for Apple to seed the entire market of people who have cable internet access and slow WiFi for what exactly?

> for what exactly

For a simpler product for the majority of people.

They can't suit everyone! Are you annoyed you can't connect your iPad to your Amiga as well? They have a draw a reasonable line at some point.

Re: New iPad Air and iPad Mini

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Post by licyeus »

Bud wrote: post #285
baobrain wrote: post #143

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Keeping the lightning port is what really jumped out at me. Now some iPads are going to have USB C and others are going to have lightning, all under the same umbrella product of the iPad. What is even worse (!) is that the iPhones and iPads still ship with a USB A to lightning cable, meaning even users inside the Apple ecosystem need a USB C/thunderbolt dongle with usb A ports to connect their iPhones/iPads to their…

1) USB-C doesn't fit on the old iPad mini case design. The mini is used in a lot of embedded applications where keeping the exact same form factor is important. 2) It's incorrect to say that "now" some iPads will have USB-C and others Lightning. That was already the case. This simply continues the status quo. 3) It's also incorrect to say that "users" in the Apple ecosystem will "need" a dongle. That's only the case…

All modern Mac laptops are USB-C only. The MacBook Airs were the last holdout and became USB-C only last year.

Re: New iPad Air and iPad Mini

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Post by cafebeen »

jackfrodo wrote: post #3

I'm 24 years old, work in software. Neither I nor any of my friends uses a tablet for work or pleasure. I guess I know a couple of people who have Surface Pro's, but that's about it. I'm wondering if the appeal of these begins when you get older? Seems like a lot of the market for these is people who are 50+, but I'd like to know if any people under 25 are interested in them.

Perhaps a person's interests, income, or lifestyle are salient variables as well? I would guess that each person's circle of friends has some of these in common in addition to age (likely true for HN discussions as well). For a less biased picture, here are some statistics about tablet use by age:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/805143/us-tablete-users-...

and for a baseline, iPhone use by age:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/203063/iphone-users-in-t...

It's striking how uniform the distribution of tablet use was across age! There was a bump after age 25, though that was mirrored in the iPhone usage. This is really salient at the low and high end: age 0-18 was 20% of tablet usage and only 6% of iPhone usage, and age 55+ was 20% of tablet usage and only 14% of iPhone usage. Given all of this, it seems like tablets are quite broadly adopted devices

Re: New iPad Air and iPad Mini

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Post by alchemism »

reacharavindh wrote: post #62
jackfrodo wrote: post #3

I'm 24 years old, work in software. Neither I nor any of my friends uses a tablet for work or pleasure. I guess I know a couple of people who have Surface Pro's, but that's about it. I'm wondering if the appeal of these begins when you get older? Seems like a lot of the market for these is people who are 50+, but I'd like to know if any people under 25 are interested in them.

I'm 33 years old, work in systems engineering. I use my tablet (ipad Pro 9") as an auxiliary device for pleasure and a little bit of work. It does the following, and does them well. * Spotify player at home. Gets passed around to friends during a get together. * Fancy annotator - I use the Apple Pencil to draw directly on pictures or even create from images scratch by sketching it out. * Books - I have several epub p…

I am a ‘cloud’ engineer, and I find great use in pairing my iPad with an Apple Bluetooth keyboard, and then running shells in Terminus or Google Cloud Shell.

I wouldn’t code on it, but for running scripts and checking servers — I can travel without my laptop.

Re: New iPad Air and iPad Mini

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Post by theshrike79 »

atomi wrote: post #254
_ea1k wrote: post #206

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> So what are tablet users going to leave the iPad for? All of the great Android tablets available? Yeah, this is the sad thing about the current situation. The Apple lineup is a mess, but everyone's "competitive" devices are even messier. I have only Android phones, but my tablet is an ipad.

I couldn't give up Termux.

Blink (https://www.blink.sh) is pretty close.

Re: New iPad Air and iPad Mini

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Post by asark »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #270
reaperducer wrote: post #230

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It is so weird that the iPad Air and iPad mini only support the old Apple Pencil Perhaps it's because the new Apple Pencil charges by docking with a host iPad, and there's no place on an iPad Air or iPad mini to put a dock.

The real issue is the Apple Pencil should have been what the "Apple Pencil (2nd Generation)" was from the start. The Surface line made it obvious years ago that the magnetic docking was essential. Would have made much more sense to wait than to have two different pencils not cross compatible at all, I mean even if you bought the first iPad Pro and the Pencil then decided to upgrade to the next iPad Pro you can't use…

The 1st gen Pencil's charging/pairing plug is ridiculous. It's like someone at Apple made a joke charging interface and that was accidentally sent to production. Lose the dumb little magnetic cap, which you have to leave entirely off of it when it's charging, and it's just a matter of time until the plug gets broken. Lose the even smaller gender changer and you can't charge the damn thing without plugging it into your ipad, a configuration that looks made to cause problems (i.e. break something) and by the way makes your ipad unusable while it's happening. Swapping the gender on the Pencil's connector and making pairing the operation that requires an adapter would have been an instant, major improvement, but the whole thing needed a re-think from scratch.

Side note: can you seriously not use the original pencil with new ipads, even with a cable adapter of some sort to pair them? I was planning to pick up a used or refurb of the current gen when the next one comes out, but that might throw a wrench in those plans, unless I luck out and find one used including the new pencil, like I did with my Gen 1 ipad pro.

Re: New iPad Air and iPad Mini

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Post by kevas »

Purchased a iPad Pro 11 a few months back & I love it—notes for meetings & personal are fantastic, reading, etc...

I would have returned that thing in an instant if apple came out with a Mini Pro. I also have a mini that I’ve had for years. It’s the perfect size. Don’t feel inconvenienced when carrying.

Damn damn damn.... maybe another year.

Re: New iPad Air and iPad Mini

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Post by scarface74 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #351
scarface74 wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I am sure it makes perfect sense for Apple to seed the entire market of people who have cable internet access and slow WiFi for what exactly?

> for what exactly For a simpler product for the majority of people. They can't suit everyone! Are you annoyed you can't connect your iPad to your Amiga as well? They have a draw a reasonable line at some point.

But the "majority" of people in the US in fact have slow internet -- especially upload bandwidth.
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