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Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by AlexanderNull »

usaphp wrote: post #11
CodeCube wrote: post #2

Fantastic (note that the article mentions (or at least hints at) medical exemptions, which of course makes sense)! Now ... if only we could make this happen here in the US!

> if only we could make this happen here in the US! Hmm, isn't it already required in US? When I sent my son to first grade this year they asked us to verify that we have all the necessary vaccines, without it they would not allow us to register.

It's determined by each region. Here in Oregon/Washington we have medical exemptions, religious exemptions, and plain old "I just don't agree" exemptions (aka: personal exemptions). Hence why we had such a widespread recent measles outbreak.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by jarmitage »

kalleboo wrote: post #36
jarmitage wrote: post #13

I would be interested to know if any Italians (or otherwise knowledgable people) are here who can comment on this anecdote: I once stayed with some Italians near Pisa, who were home schooling their children. They said that corrupt and ignorant politicians have added unnecessary vaccines to the list of requirements, due to lobbying/collusion with pharma companies and as a way to influence elections. As a result, some…

> They said that corrupt and ignorant politicians have added unnecessary vaccines to the list of requirements, due to lobbying/collusion with pharma companies FWIW, This is standard anti-vaxxer rhetoric in any country. You see stuff like this anywhere: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeS7VhVWsAABZOJ.jpg

Did not know that to be common anti-vax rhetoric, thanks.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by kyriakos »

libertine wrote: post #17

In Portugal since like late 80's at least, when you're being signed up in the school you have to present several documents, and one of them the Vaccines Bulletin. If it's not up to date, you cannot be registered. It's a better solution instead of banning children. It might seem like it's the same thing, but it's quite different.

Same in Cyprus. Every year you need to submit a registration form and the vaccination booklet. They will ask you to get any missing vaccines.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

In the USA, we have the idea of "informed consent" with regards to medical treatments. The ideal standard is that the doctor tells you what you have, and what ways there are to treat/manage it. Doing nothing is also an answer.

Vaccines are no different: some vaccines have some rather nasty side effects. Except in this country, under 42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22,

"No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings."

Obviously vaccines don't cause autism. But there are cases in which they do have risk past simple dermatitis reactions. So why are those who are saying "No" being lumped in with "vaccines cause $___" unscientific know-nothings?

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by tantalor »

celeritascelery wrote: post #33
droithomme wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if only we could make this happen here in the US Good point. Also essential to ban adults from various public areas who are not up to date on all their boosters.

And how would you enforce that? Have everyone walk around with their immunization records and stop people randomly?

You could start with places with admission like sports, music, and theme parks.

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

zug_zug wrote: post #45

I find it interesting and also confusing how invested random people on the internet are about the outcome of vaccination (which could theoretically cause an issue for a small percentage of the population), as opposed to say climate-denial (which will undisputably cause a much bigger issue for the entire population)

Where most people who comment on HN live, deaths from climate change are a future possibility. Deaths from vaccine preventable illnesses are happening right now.

Also, solving climate change is a massive undertaking. Vaccines are a solved problem.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by RandomTisk »

purpleidea wrote: post #40

I'm a physiologist, and definitely NOT an anti-vaxxer. Two points: 1) What is the specific list of immunizations that are being mandated? 2) If immunizations are to be mandated, great, however the companies that produce them must also be mandated to be transparent in their research and development. For example, they must be required by law to publish all studies on drug safety-- both positive, and negative results. T…

Me either, but I've always wondered:

3) What danger do un-vaccinated children pose to vaccinated ones?

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by amyjess »

Honestly, what they need to do is that if a parent refuses to vaccinate their kids, the parents should be given a life sentence in prison, and the kids should be given vaccines and new parents.

If the option to keep the kids out of school exists, people will take it. Half-measures like this are still going to result in more and more people dying of measles, whooping cough, and maybe even polio.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by fixermark »

citilife wrote: post #60
CodeCube wrote: post #2

Fantastic (note that the article mentions (or at least hints at) medical exemptions, which of course makes sense)! Now ... if only we could make this happen here in the US!

IMO this should not be a federal issue. Each state or school district can set their own rules (thus provide the option to parents). This would pretty much make everyone happy. As most regions would setup the rules to best protect their children. Now, I'll point out this is effectively is already a thing. You cannot attend school in many locations without getting your vaccines and / or providing a valid reason why you…

Inconveniently, it might need to be a federal issue, as communication of disease does not respect state boundaries.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by leconteur »

purpleidea wrote: post #40

I'm a physiologist, and definitely NOT an anti-vaxxer. Two points: 1) What is the specific list of immunizations that are being mandated? 2) If immunizations are to be mandated, great, however the companies that produce them must also be mandated to be transparent in their research and development. For example, they must be required by law to publish all studies on drug safety-- both positive, and negative results. T…

Seems like a good opportunity to kill two birds with one stone.
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