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Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Fantastic (note that the article mentions (or at least hints at) medical exemptions, which of course makes sense)! Now ... if only we could make this happen here in the US!

> if only we could make this happen here in the US!

Hmm, isn't it already required in US? When I sent my son to first grade this year they asked us to verify that we have all the necessary vaccines, without it they would not allow us to register.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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The problem with this law is that there are children (like the child with leukemia mentioned in the article) who are unvaccinated for good medical reasons. Hopefully this law recognizes that and does not penalize children who are unvaccinated for reasons beyond their (or their parents') control.

I doubt anyone will force a kid that risks losing his life because of vaccination, to vaccinate. Let's not spread FUD

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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I would be interested to know if any Italians (or otherwise knowledgable people) are here who can comment on this anecdote:

I once stayed with some Italians near Pisa, who were home schooling their children. They said that corrupt and ignorant politicians have added unnecessary vaccines to the list of requirements, due to lobbying/collusion with pharma companies and as a way to influence elections. As a result, some parents decided to home school their children, so in turn the government said that any home schooled children who don't have these vaccines cannot take the official exams.

Edit: these were not my "friends"! Very nice folks but this one triggered my BS detector. I never looked into it, and this story reminded me.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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post #11
post #2

Fantastic (note that the article mentions (or at least hints at) medical exemptions, which of course makes sense)! Now ... if only we could make this happen here in the US!

> if only we could make this happen here in the US! Hmm, isn't it already required in US? When I sent my son to first grade this year they asked us to verify that we have all the necessary vaccines, without it they would not allow us to register.

IIRC, many school districts have allowed conscientious objection to vaccination requirements.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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I would be interested to know if any Italians (or otherwise knowledgable people) are here who can comment on this anecdote: I once stayed with some Italians near Pisa, who were home schooling their children. They said that corrupt and ignorant politicians have added unnecessary vaccines to the list of requirements, due to lobbying/collusion with pharma companies and as a way to influence elections. As a result, some…

Not even sure you can home school children in Italy. I don't think so, schooling is mandatory up to a certain age. Anyway, I've never heard of anyone doing it.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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As I mentioned the last time this was posted, the article title is clickbait. The actual ban only applies to children under six. That is to say, hardly any of them. Parents of older children will be fined. "Children up to the age of six years will be excluded from nursery and kindergarten without proof of vaccination under the new rules. Those aged between six and 16 cannot be banned from attending school, but their…

there's a reason however: the limitation comes from our constitution and changing that requires a supermajority that hardly any government had in the last decades.

Art. 34. La scuola è aperta a tutti. L'istruzione inferiore, impartita per almeno otto anni, è obbligatoria e gratuita.

"(public) schooling is open to everyone" "primary instruction, covering at least eight years, is mandatory and free of charge"

there's both the right and the mandate to get all children into school, changing that is something that has been evaluated and still under discussion because it will be very hard to put an amendment in there that's both general enough to cover the issue at hand but not so generic that it might be exploited in the future.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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In Portugal since like late 80's at least, when you're being signed up in the school you have to present several documents, and one of them the Vaccines Bulletin.

If it's not up to date, you cannot be registered.

It's a better solution instead of banning children. It might seem like it's the same thing, but it's quite different.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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As I mentioned the last time this was posted, the article title is clickbait. The actual ban only applies to children under six. That is to say, hardly any of them. Parents of older children will be fined. "Children up to the age of six years will be excluded from nursery and kindergarten without proof of vaccination under the new rules. Those aged between six and 16 cannot be banned from attending school, but their…

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Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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They will have problems with United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "26. The Right to Education. Education is a right. Primary school should be free. ..." Since primary school is a human right, nobody can ban you from primary school!

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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post #11
post #2

Fantastic (note that the article mentions (or at least hints at) medical exemptions, which of course makes sense)! Now ... if only we could make this happen here in the US!

> if only we could make this happen here in the US! Hmm, isn't it already required in US? When I sent my son to first grade this year they asked us to verify that we have all the necessary vaccines, without it they would not allow us to register.

School requirements are at the state and local level, so your results may vary.
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