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Thinkpad X210

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Re: Thinkpad X210

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"Like the X62, the X210 is made by 51NB, a group of enthusiasts in Shenzhen."

Is that normal? That a group of enthusiasts designs Thinkpad models?

Re: Thinkpad X210

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I don't lie about battery life numbers. People like to say, "I get 9 hours of battery life." when they mean that they get 9 hours if they do doing nothing but let their computer idle with the brightness at minimum. 4 hours with a 55Wh battery is an average consumption of 13 watts. That's because my typical workflow involves running a VM containing cassandra & postrgres (among other services) and recompiling go and ja…

Long lasting battery is the feature I appreciate most from a laptop. My T430 with the extended slice battery gives me 7-10 hours, and could probably get another 3+ if I swapped out the CD drive for the Power Bridge battery. Long live the ThinkPad. Edit: This is with mostly casual use on an Arch Linux setup. I think the next killer feature I want/look for in a laptop is the ability to see the screen in bright sunlight…

> Long live the ThinkPad.

This year's models are doing away with replaceable batteries for the most part. T490 has a built-in 50 Whr battery and no ability to extend or replace that without removing screws. It also gets rid of the 2.5 in drive option, one of the RAM slots (but it adds a soldered one), and it replaces the full size SD with a micro-SD. All of that for a small reduction in weight and thickness.

So, basically, the thinkpad line is gone now, it's just another poor macbook pro knockoff. I expect to see articles like this one for years to come, given that there are almost no options left if you want power, expandability and battery life in a single laptop package.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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post #441

"Like the X62, the X210 is made by 51NB, a group of enthusiasts in Shenzhen." Is that normal? That a group of enthusiasts designs Thinkpad models?

Is not officially Thinkpad model. Is "Frankenpad", made by combining parts from many Thinkpad model, in a creative way. This is what "group of enthusiast" in Shenzen do.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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One: shout out your favorite YouTubist, I guess, but a repair Apple makes is a repair Apple has to support . Two: it's much, much harder to support a repair done on-site with a soldering iron than it is to replace a part. These repairs are much more likely to fail under both normal and unconventional use and then will come back for more repairs--which are themselves, still, expensive to provide. Three: waste concerns…

>> One: shout out your favorite YouTubist, I guess, but a repair Apple makes is a repair Apple has to support. Saying he is my favorite Youtuber is a bit condescending. I mentioned him, because he is a loud proponent of the right to repair movement. >> These repairs are much more likely to fail under both normal and unconventional use and then will come back for more repairs--which are themselves, still, expensive to…

> If that was true, I am sure Apple would choose to repair parts instead of replacing them. ;)

Of course it's true--everything from "that fan's just going to get dirty again, and faster, because it's been blown out but can't be re-sealed outside a factory" to "that solder joint is being done by somebody making fourteen bucks an hour, boy I hope I'm not relying on that long-term".

Why would a company that makes its money off of selling the closest thing to a unified end-to-end experience take the risk of a dissatisfied customer because of a frustrating defect remediation experience?

The quoted point is an example of a fundamental misunderstanding of how Apple views its customers and how Apple makes its money. But stuff like that is a closely-held truth in the various repair-uber-alles communities on the web regardless of reality. (And then, as 'Operyl notes, your cited YouTubist attempts to shore up his own little slice of community by instilling in them the "enlightened"/"sheep" dynamic. Petty little cult leader, that.)

Sorry that you read some real distaste for that mess as condescension, but not sorry to voice that distaste.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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> The fan only turns on if I’m doing something intensive like compiling go or scrolling in Slack. The next time somebody asks why everybody has a problem with Electron, I'm referring them to this page.

I scroll a lot in vscode and it's fine... but yeah, it could be lighter

Re: Thinkpad X210

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It seems really counter-intuitive to me that you'd pay $1200 for a Thinkpad. Isn't their popularity largely because old models are widely-available, reliable, and most importantly, dirt cheap? I don't do anything on my T420 but use the terminal and the web browser and the hardware has been sufficient, though I guess if you're gonna be rolling with multiple electron apps, upgraded hardware might make all the difference.

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Can't you tell? he's hacking e-corp

I still haven't watched the show. Is it good?

I think it's great, but the show changes a lot from how it starts off in the beginning, which understandably puts off a lot of people who were in love with the early bits.

Re: Thinkpad X210

#448

> The fan only turns on if I’m doing something intensive like compiling go or scrolling in Slack. The next time somebody asks why everybody has a problem with Electron, I'm referring them to this page.

Electron is far from ideal, and it may be argued it's incredibly difficult to make a relatively efficient Electron app (vscode is often cited as one, but Microsoft has plenty of resources).

However, for all the efficiency challenges Electron brings, Slack is universally cited in types of comments such as the above. This makes me highly suspect that—beyond being just written in Electron—Slack is actually an extremely poorly written app, and just the canonical example of overengineered inefficiency in general.

Slack Web, for example, also does similarly draconian things to my CPU.

Similarly, Riot.im—probably the most comparable app to Slack functionality-wise—is also built in Electron. It has some of the performance problems one would expect from any Electron app, but it is nowhere near as bad as Slack (and has a much much smaller development team with much tighter resources).

In short: Electron may not be ideal, but it seems to get an unfairly bad name from Slack; we should be laying the criticism with the Slack dev team rather than with the Electron one.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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I used to wonder why my ThinkPad sometimes ran for 12 hours and sometimes 5. Turns out that Google Docs has an animated cursor that doesn't just blink, it fades in and out using javascript. Animation cost several W on average. UX guys love animations because I dunno they are just psychos.

Reminds me of this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13940014 (I believe that the 13% CPU nentioned there is a rounded-up 12.5% of the whole CPU, or in other words a full 100% of one of 8 hyperthreads.)

Remarkably similar, yes!

Re: Thinkpad X210

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> The fan only turns on if I’m doing something intensive like compiling go or scrolling in Slack. The next time somebody asks why everybody has a problem with Electron, I'm referring them to this page.

While I can understand to some extent that Electron receives a lot of heat, people really should stop arguing that "Slack bad -> Electron bad".

I can run Discord and vscode on my machine just fine, with plenty of editor tabs/server tabs open. While Electron surely has its issues, Slack being terrible really shouldn't be blamed solely on Electron.

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