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FWIW I've always called MSG "Makes Stuff Good," because it does just that... I realized it wasn't bad mostly because there was no seeming regularity to if I felt bad after eating foods with it. Eventually it dawned on me that perhaps overeating an abundance of oil in foods with it probably makes me feel like shit, and... yep, it was the oil (maybe others will have similar anecdotes).
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That could be true even if the MSG happens to give you an awful headache in the short term.
No[0], it won't [1], that's the point of the article. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4870486 [1] https://academic.oup.com/jn/article-abstract/125/11/2891S/47...
Let's try something else:
Graham TE, Sgro V, Friars D, Gibala MJ. 2000. Glutamate ingestion: the plasma and muscle free amino acid pools of resting humans. American Journal of Physiology-Endocrinology and Metabolism 278:E83–89.
These researchers provided single 150mg/kg oral doses of MSG to 9 healthy volunteers (8 males, 1 female) to determine the plasma and muscle concentrations of glutamate following ingestion. All volunteers reported transient headaches.
Shimada A, Cairns BE, Vad N, Ulriksen K, Pedersen AML, Svensson P, Baad-Hansen L. 2013. Headache and mechanical sensitization of human pericranial muscles after repeated intake of monosodium glutamate (MSG). Journal of Headache and Pain 14:2
More than 50% of healthy, male subjects given 150mg/kg daily doses developed headaches.
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> 2.5 grams of msg for a 50kg person MSG is slightly more dense than sugar, with a specific gravity of 1.6 and comes in a crystalline form that resembles sugar. 4 grams of sugar is about a teaspoon, and the same can be expected of MSG. They can easily dump half a teaspoon of the stuff into your soup or sauce in a restaurant, treating it like salt or sugar. This amazing paper is valuable not just for its work on rats,…
You'd have to be crazy to add 2.5 grams worth of MSG to a single meal. Accent calls for using like 1/10th that amount in soup. That's no different than using 10x as much salt as a recipe calls for, it's not going to turn out so great.
So you're saying that MSG doesn't cause headaches, because nobody would be crazy enough to put 2.5 grams of it into the meal consumed by a 50 kg person? Or what is the logic here?
The paper cites at least two other studies which found that 150 mg/kg daily doses caused headaches: to 100% of the subjects in one of the studies, and more than 50% in the other.
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I am totally all for spewing MSG on everything, but it might not be best that you're secretly adding msg to foods you serve a bunch of people without their awareness. Not that I agree with their stupid world views but if someone wants to believe that MSg is bad for them, then it's their choice. I think we should not accidentally or deliberately serve something to someone they might not prefer to eat.
What about secretly adding salt or pepper? How about olive oil? If you're cooking food for people it's not common to get pre-approval of the ingredients beyond asking for any dietary restrictions.
you're a lucky chef. You'll get a real reality check when cooking for an elderly bunch of diabetics who automatically presume the world is low-sodium.
I've found it's just easier to automatically presume that everyone has dietary restrictions, just some much more mild than most (some hate brocolli, and some will die if they are near peanuts, but it's the same scale.).
I've isolated MSG as a cause of sinus headaches for me, along with a handful of other foods. It is in some flavored chips, and the first few times when going back and trying to figure out what caused my headache I was surprised to see it in the ingredient list since it has such a stigma. I also run into it at kbbq places mixed in with the salt. Not saying it is bad for everyone, but it is a consistent issue for me.
All you've isolated is the placebo effect unless you react that same way to all glutamate containing foods. Chicken broth has tons of glutamate in it, if chicken broth doesn't cause your headaches then neither does MSG. And if you're thinking that the glutamate in chicken broth or other foods could be reacting differently because it's not monosodium glutamate, that's not possible because the instant MSG is dissolved…
> Glutamate is present in everything from tomatoes, to mushrooms, to parmesan cheese.
Well, glutamic acid, an amino acid found in proteins, is abundant; that is not the same as free glutamate.
I've isolated MSG as a cause of sinus headaches for me, along with a handful of other foods. It is in some flavored chips, and the first few times when going back and trying to figure out what caused my headache I was surprised to see it in the ingredient list since it has such a stigma. I also run into it at kbbq places mixed in with the salt. Not saying it is bad for everyone, but it is a consistent issue for me.
All you've isolated is the placebo effect unless you react that same way to all glutamate containing foods. Chicken broth has tons of glutamate in it, if chicken broth doesn't cause your headaches then neither does MSG. And if you're thinking that the glutamate in chicken broth or other foods could be reacting differently because it's not monosodium glutamate, that's not possible because the instant MSG is dissolved…
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What about secretly adding salt or pepper? How about olive oil? If you're cooking food for people it's not common to get pre-approval of the ingredients beyond asking for any dietary restrictions.
>If you're cooking food for people it's not common to get pre-approval of the ingredients beyond asking for any dietary restrictions. you're a lucky chef. You'll get a real reality check when cooking for an elderly bunch of diabetics who automatically presume the world is low-sodium. I've found it's just easier to automatically presume that everyone has dietary restrictions, just some much more mild than most (some h…
Could you explain more how you do this in practice? Do you list out all ingredients in a menu? Or do you have a list of standard dietary restrictions that most people have (pork, shellfish, dairy, beef, coconut, peanuts, horseradish, salt, ...) and just remove all of them?
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That could be true even if the MSG happens to give you an awful headache in the short term.
No[0], it won't [1], that's the point of the article. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4870486 [1] https://academic.oup.com/jn/article-abstract/125/11/2891S/47...
>Because of the absence of proper blinding, and the inconsistency of the findings, we conclude that further studies are required to evaluate whether or not a causal relationship exists between MSG ingestion and headache.
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What about secretly adding salt or pepper? How about olive oil? If you're cooking food for people it's not common to get pre-approval of the ingredients beyond asking for any dietary restrictions.
>If you're cooking food for people it's not common to get pre-approval of the ingredients beyond asking for any dietary restrictions. you're a lucky chef. You'll get a real reality check when cooking for an elderly bunch of diabetics who automatically presume the world is low-sodium. I've found it's just easier to automatically presume that everyone has dietary restrictions, just some much more mild than most (some h…
FWIW I've always called MSG "Makes Stuff Good," because it does just that... I realized it wasn't bad mostly because there was no seeming regularity to if I felt bad after eating foods with it. Eventually it dawned on me that perhaps overeating an abundance of oil in foods with it probably makes me feel like shit, and... yep, it was the oil (maybe others will have similar anecdotes).