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Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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NeedMoreTea wrote: post #182
huffmsa wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. There's a difference between propaganda and documentation. Christchurch is grainy helmet cam. Not highly produced propaganda.

Just because it is poorly produced doesn't make it documentation or rule out it being propaganda. I've no interest in seeing the video, but I understand they marked the ammunition clips with messages seen on camera. Several have been quoted in reporting. That sounds very like a deliberate attempt to make a propaganda piece of the footage. I would hope that Liveleak would rule out carrying it on the same justification…

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Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by lostlogin »

wnevets wrote: post #199
paulcole wrote: post #183

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> people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. Not on a site someone else owns and operates they don’t.

other put another way the owner of the site has the right to not show the face of evil.

Depends on the jurisdiction too I’d think.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by anonytrary »

anigbrowl wrote: post #262
anonytrary wrote: post #202

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> 99.99999% being off by 3 orders of magnitude. So you're implying that 99.99% of gun owners aren't criminals then?

No, I'm implying you should prefer accuracy over hyperbole.

ironic

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by 1123581321 »

lostlogin wrote: post #253
huffmsa wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I'm not saying it should be played in time square. But hiding it from the "normal" parts of the internet doesn't do anyone any favors.

What about the fact the he wanted the video viewed and his crap to be read? Not participating in something he wants is (another) motivation for avoiding his creations.

Should we assume that any view plays into the aims of the attack, or is there a way to view this footage that thwarts its goals? If there is a way, what can we do to increase the number of people who use it (given that they view the footage at all?)

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

caf wrote: post #255
zed88 wrote: post #135

I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. I am from NZ and a muslim and have watched the video myself an hour after the incident, I know people personally affected by this and I think we all need to come together as human beings and understand that there are some evil ideas and people everywhere around the world. And that's…

I think anyone who seeks out - or worse, redistributes - this video, is complicit in furthering the propagandistic aims of the attacker.

Just as anyone who censors it is complicit in eroding human rights?

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by lostlogin »

tikwidd wrote: post #91
huffmsa wrote: post #3

The video of the 757s hitting the WTC isn't purged from the internet, why should this video be? The world is dark and full of terrors (but getting better every day), and sticking our heads in the sand doesn't change that.

The WTC footage is documentation of a terrorist attack by innocent bystanders. The Christchurch Mosque shooting footage was created by the terrorist with the aim of becoming viral. It is a component of the terrorist attack itself.

I’m not quite sure how to articulate it, but there is another difference too. The Christchurch attack is more personal - it’s showing individuals. The most shocking part of the WTC attacks (for me) were the people jumping, and that was the part where you could see them as people.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

telesilla wrote: post #22
x38iq84n wrote: post #2

The shooting in Christchurch is a tragedy that should not have happened. That said, this massive wave of censorship across MSM, NZ ISPs, regardless of the motivation, is very disturbing. It will be inevitably used to suppress citizens' freedoms, it will cause more tension in society that will escalate into more tragical incidents. Also, the video may serve someone to study modus operandi of such an attacker to increa…

Can I ask you: how can I, who does not at all want to see any graphic images, avoid these without censorship? It's not fair to allow these things in the public field where we might see disturbing things without wanting to. Videos and images must be tagged, and therefore given a rating so that I can self-censor.

I would happily support tagging of such things to allow people to choose to not see things. It's choosing to not allow other people to see things that's problematic.

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Post by chrismsnz »

gojomo wrote: post #219
TheTruth1234 wrote: post #178

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>> I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. It's the inadvertent exposure that's more of a problem. The access is just so easy. If you were browsing at the time it was happening, you almost couldn't not watch the video because it was so prevelant. I'm imagining a 16 year old coming across it, and wondering how they process…

I'm curious, on what sites/services did you find the video so prevalent it was hard to avoid?

Clips were autoplaying in the live updates tab of twitter.
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