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Re: Thinkpad X210

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Post by alkonaut »

shasheene wrote: post #48

This is a good time to bring up the fact there was never an industry-wide standardization effort for laptops. A standard form-factor means components would be re-usable between upgrades: the laptop case, power supply, monitor, keyboard, touchpad could all be re-used without any additional effort. This improves repairability, is much better for the environment, and means higher-end components can be selected with the…

Some parts such as batteries, storage, ram etc should at least be a standardized.

Manufacturers probably don’t want to standardize on the remaining motherboard/graphics/chassis/cooling because a laptop isn’t like an atx computer where you get modularity at the expense of wasted space. A laptop is basically a 3D puzzle with thermal components. Few consumers would buy a laptop with even a little wasted volume or weight, even if it meant better serviceability and upgradeability. Same with phones. We aren’t going to see modular phones beyond the concept stage either.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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Post by oplav »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #118
lelf wrote: post #10

> The fan only turns on if I’m doing something intensive like compiling go or scrolling in Slack . That’s intensive. And sad.

I don't get why people don't just use Slack on Chrome. Everything people rant about when using the Electron-app doesn't happen in Chrome.

I run Slack in a Chrome tab but have started experiencing issues where that tab grinds to a halt doing simple Slack things (like switching channels) and the tab eventually crashes.

Re: Thinkpad X210

#193

Post by OJFord »

saagarjha wrote: post #62
SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #53

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You've genuinely never had to install any drivers or change any settings after installing Windows? I find this very hard to believe.

For printers and external accessories, maybe? My experience with laptops has always been that every built-in component works with no configuration, which isn’t true for Linux. However, I haven’t bought a Windows laptop for quite a while, so maybe this situation is no longer true?

> My experience with laptops has always been that every built-in component works with no configuration, which isn’t true for Linux.

Are you talking about laptops that shipped with Linux though? I suspect not.

You'd have about as much fun putting macOS on a laptop that shipped with Windows, and vice versa, as you would putting Linux on either of them.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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Post by Damogran6 »

saagarjha wrote: post #6

> Battery life is a little over 4 hours with the flush battery (55Wh) and 6-7 hours with the extended battery (80Wh). Not going to lie, that’s pretty horrible. > Battery life would increase by 50% if I got PC6 or PC8 idle states. The fan only turns on if I’m doing something intensive like compiling go or scrolling in Slack. lol. One of the things that really drives me nuts is my computer’s fan turning on when I know…

As a part of our enterprise security improvement project, they removed local admin from all people who don't necessarily need it. They'll replace it with creds that can be unlocked for a short period of time, but that's not here yet, and honestly, I don't need it bad enough on my laptop to raise a stink.

Now when my fans spin up, I just blame McAfee.

Re: Thinkpad X210

#195

Post by ako »

hatsix wrote: post #189
reaperducer wrote: post #163

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For desktop PCs, the ATX standard means that the entirety of a high-end gaming PC upgrade often consists of just a new motherboard, CPU, RAM and GPU. And that's great, if you're into generic beige boxes. It's been years since I put together my own IBM compatible computers. But in the time since then, I haven't really seen any innovation in desktops. Yes, for a while the processor numbers ticked up, but then plateaued…

Nearly all of the tech you have in your laptop was developed, tested, and refined on desktops. PCI based SSD were in desktops before NVMe was a thing. Vapor cooled processors were on budget gaming PCs 10 years ago. Even the MacBook trackpad was based on a desktop keyboard produced by a company called fingerworks. High DPI monitors came first to desktop. High refresh rate came first to desktop. Fingerprint reader? Had…

Huh? Most of todays innovation is about power efficiency. This is driven from mobile and laptops, but benefits desktops and servers as well.

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Post by jrockway »

freehunter wrote: post #177
coldtea wrote: post #113

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> One of the things that really drives me nuts is my computer’s fan turning on when I know really shouldn’t be. I have lived and worked with people for whom having their fan randomly turn on for no reason is completely normal, and I just can’t understand how they can bear it. Yeah, but try standing in their shoes: they too are probably wondering how you can bear getting worked up over such small things such as fans g…

>getting worked up over such small things such as fans going off Fans spinning up is an indicator of something. Usually an indicator that the machine is under heavy load and you need to watch out for the things that come with machines under heavy load: slower performance, overheating, graphical artifacts, potential crashing, etc. If my fans spun up when I was not aware my computer was under heavy load, I would believ…

If your machine crashes, overheats, or has graphical artifacts at 100% load, it's broken and you should fix it.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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Post by freehunter »

jrockway wrote: post #196
freehunter wrote: post #177

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>getting worked up over such small things such as fans going off Fans spinning up is an indicator of something. Usually an indicator that the machine is under heavy load and you need to watch out for the things that come with machines under heavy load: slower performance, overheating, graphical artifacts, potential crashing, etc. If my fans spun up when I was not aware my computer was under heavy load, I would believ…

If your machine crashes, overheats, or has graphical artifacts at 100% load, it's broken and you should fix it.

If your machine spins up its fans for no discernible reason throughout the day, it's broken and you should fix it.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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Post by efficax »

GordonS wrote: post #119

Is anyone happy coding on such a small screen, even if it is high-res? I have a 2016 13" MBP, and find the screen too small for coding. It's high-res, but that means everything is super-small unless you increase the scaling, which of course reduces the available screen real estate. The screen is annoyingly reflective too, but that's another problem entirely. My daily driver is a 15" HP Zbook G3 with a 1080p display,…

yes

Re: Thinkpad X210

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Post by sandov »

lorenzk wrote: post #175
eggy wrote: post #160

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I still haven't watched the show. Is it good?

By far the best onscreen „hacking“ I know of. He does use Linux Mint as daily driver though...

When does he say that he uses Linux Mint?. From what I've seen, his desktop looks like Gnome 2 with a dark theme, or a heavily modified Gnome 3.
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