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Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Post by ModernMech »

burfog wrote: post #114
jliptzin wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you’re being downvoted.

If you don't read the second paragraph, it seems 100% obviously a case of sarcasm. For some reason, sarcasm goes over badly on HackerNews. Given the second paragraph though, and prior post history... I think it was serious. OMG.

Do you actually have anything to add to the diacussion though? I contrasted Rachel Maddow and Fox News with examples. You just want to shake your head and downvote, fine, but don't add a comment like this with absolutely no substance.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Post by Spooky23 »

volak wrote: post #11

Fox News dominates ratings on TV so its not surprising they'd be #1 - there's also the fact this is "engagements" and not click-throughs. I'd wager good 15% of these are probably people clicking "Angry" not actually engaging. If you look at "content with the most shares" not surprisingly Reuters and Patch tops the list. OP's headline presumes any algorithm should achieve left/right balance - this is just impossible.…

I’d still be surprised because cable news is dominated by the 55+ demographic. IIRC, less than 20% of viewers are 15-54.

Facebook doesn’t sell catheters and old people scooters, so I would guess that their audiences are more diverse.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Post by Spooky23 »

philipov wrote: post #44
geofft wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is the tweet: https://twitter.com/RogueNotary/status/1101179117574279168 BTW, I think it is not unreasonable to expect that different models of funding or engagement are differently represented on the left and right sides of politics. Contrary to certain views, the left and the right are not two equal, symmetric, graceful wings of a bird, keeping society in balance: they're two different worldviews and s…

That reminds me of how maps can distort information about populations because one side tends to live in smaller high-density urban centers while the other has a much lower density over a larger land area.

The US Senate makes those maps meaningful.

For every other aspect of government, it’s one man one vote. For the Senate, Wyoming has the same representation as New York, even though the population is less than the Rochester metro area.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

volak wrote: post #11

Fox News dominates ratings on TV so its not surprising they'd be #1 - there's also the fact this is "engagements" and not click-throughs. I'd wager good 15% of these are probably people clicking "Angry" not actually engaging. If you look at "content with the most shares" not surprisingly Reuters and Patch tops the list. OP's headline presumes any algorithm should achieve left/right balance - this is just impossible.…

Surely anything that is not simply ignoring a post is an engagement as far as the algorithm is concerned. Which would include likes and angry etc. Perhaps they get weighted less than a reshare or comment, but I'm sure they're in there.

You reacted, however trivially, so you'll now get more of it. You'll get more of it even if you reshare with a comment along the lines of "this is complete rubbish".

So the more outrageous rises to the top.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Post by skookumchuck »

koboll wrote: post #50
volak wrote: post #11

Fox News dominates ratings on TV so its not surprising they'd be #1 - there's also the fact this is "engagements" and not click-throughs. I'd wager good 15% of these are probably people clicking "Angry" not actually engaging. If you look at "content with the most shares" not surprisingly Reuters and Patch tops the list. OP's headline presumes any algorithm should achieve left/right balance - this is just impossible.…

>I'd wager good 15% of these are probably people clicking "Angry" not actually engaging. Only 15%? I'd guess it's way, way more. Like 90%. News today is primarily headline-driven. You don't have to sit down and watch the evening newscast anymore, you can just scroll through Facebook and see headlines and comments, which almost always drop context and nuance in a way that's engineered to make people upset. In a way, i…

> News today is primarily headline-driven.

It always was. Newspapers were sold off the newstands via the headline. That's why headlines were large - so passersby could see them. That's why newsboys would yell out the headlines.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Post by droidist2 »

sizzle wrote: post #109
revskill wrote: post #3

Long time ago, my facebook newsfeed was full of my friends' sharing, it's been very useful place for us to keep friends update. But now, it's a different place. It's a place for ads, for livestream, for real "social" stuffs, but most of them is useless to me for what i use facebook for.

This sounds like an opportunity, a social media platform that separates all political content to some secondary feed would be interesting...

That is an interesting idea, sort of like how Gmail has the "Social" and "Promotions" tab.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Post by dang »

dumitrupetrov wrote: post #97
SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox runs approx ~50% negative content on Trump. MSNBC run 92%+ negative [0] [1] [2] If your view of Fox News was largely based from 2008 and The Daily Show - How could you know? With a blanket statement like “Fox News is hate porn” you clearly aren’t seeking alternative viewpoints. This isn’t even getting into that you are lumping Fox NEWS and Fox News Channel Opinion Shows together which isn’t unfair to do so long a…

Apparently facts don't work on the left when they contradict their belief. I tried it's not working. Just like pre-programmed NPC's.

Would you please not use HN for ideological or political battle? We ban accounts that do this, regardless of their ideology or politics, because it destroys the site for what it exists for (intellectual curiosity). Please see the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Post by zaroth »

dang wrote: post #127
dumitrupetrov wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently facts don't work on the left when they contradict their belief. I tried it's not working. Just like pre-programmed NPC's.

Would you please not use HN for ideological or political battle? We ban accounts that do this, regardless of their ideology or politics, because it destroys the site for what it exists for (intellectual curiosity). Please see the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Parent comment was indeed terrible, but great-grandparent’s “Fox News is hate porn” started the ideological battle.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Post by dang »

matt4077 wrote: post #45
ykevinator wrote: post #13

Fox news is the new 700 club. It's a steady diet of comfort food.

Funny dog videos are “comfort food”. Fox News is hate porn.

Please don't post unsubstantive comments here, especially not ideological flamebait. It just leads to crap discussion.

We've had to warn you a lot about this in the past. I appreciate that your comments have improved considerably. But please don't relapse. The temptations to post like this are only rising, and we all need to resist them.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Post by dang »

zaroth wrote: post #128
dang wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you please not use HN for ideological or political battle? We ban accounts that do this, regardless of their ideology or politics, because it destroys the site for what it exists for (intellectual curiosity). Please see the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Parent comment was indeed terrible, but great-grandparent’s “Fox News is hate porn” started the ideological battle.

Ok, I'll reply to that one too.
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