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Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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> a country that elected Bush then Trump > Not very reassuring. You left out 8 years of Obama somewhere in there.

Obama was not a dangerous president from a European perspective.

Bush and Trump on the other hand have been raising a lot of concerns. The first one for lying to his people to get to war and tell the UN to go to hell. The second one has just too many red flags to even begin with.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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The Facebook news feed is dead to anyone but trolls, at least in my anecdotal experience. Facebook is only useful for its yellow pages function. Unfortunately that alone is enough to keep my social circle on Facebook. It’s just really hard to break away, because social circles consists of people with different social circles, and not everyone is going to replace Facebook with the samething, and then everyone is still…

Excuse me, do you mean white pages? I don't use Facebook for finding businesses.

I guess I do, in Denmark they came in the same book called the yellow pages (de gule sider). I guess that was because we’re a tiny nation, but now that you mention it the “people” pages were indeed white.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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This "study" simply tells me really nothing. It does sort out the types of users who want to connect and click on those posts in questions.

Personally speaking, I would look elsewhere for a more in-depth and bias-free analysis for any business driven venture. Too much presumptions made in this article. Just that the way it defines “meaningful interactions”, "divisive" topics, “angry” reaction, etc. is rather unprofessional.

A better way is to define and characterize the users of these news postings and get statistical averages on the response time and intensity of responses as well as commonly used words/phrase in reply.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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> the “angry” reaction dominates many pages, with “Fox News driving the most angry reactions of anyone, with nearly double that of anyone else.” So does this mean that Fox News is dominating the news feed because of liberal people hating on it, or is it because of articles that Fox News writes that riles up their base?

The thing is that most people prefer to be in between liberal and conservative and see the flaws on either pendulum extremes.

Also, they tend to use a lot more inflammatory language and wound-inflicting statements than those in the middle or near-middle.

That's why we should refrain from being either group.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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post #23

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I think it's healthier to avoid dividing everybody into two categories, and interpreting everything with respect to those. But to answer your question within your own worldview, it's both.

Perhaps you can enlighten me on other reasons that people would react with an angry emoji, aside from the two I described. Also, I’m not interpreting everything with respect to two categories — I'm interpreting single study this way.

There may be two broad motivations for leaving an angry emoji; either they are angry at the article or the article made them angry. However categorizing these two groups as "liberal" or "their base" isn't justified. It may be the case that somebody, perhaps a conservative, is angry at Fox News for a particular spin or editorialization but generally likes other Fox News articles. It may also be the case that somebody who considers themselves something other than "liberal" or "Fox News' base" finds a Fox News article in their facebook stream and is either angry at Fox News or because of Fox News. It's also possible, although perhaps less likely, that a liberal might become angry not at Fox News but because of what Fox News is reporting. They might not be amused to see Fox News in their stream, but it's certainly possible that the substance of the story has them angered even more.

To give an example, consider this current Fox News headline:

> New Zealand shooting's a social media wake-up call -- YouTube, others, must stop amplifying violent crimes

[A 'fox news conservative' sees that headline and leaves an angry emoji.] Is it because he's angry about the shooting? Or angry at Youtube/etc? Or angry because he thinks Fox news is cynically exploiting the tragedy to take pot shots at a tech company?

[A liberal sees that headline and leaves and angry emoji.] Is it because he's angry that Fox News is making it into his news feed? Or because he's angry at the shooting? Or angry at youtube/etc? Or angry because he thinks Fox news is cynically exploiting the tragedy to take pot shots at a tech company?

You really can't say. Any particular individual may have their own reason for posting an angry emoji at a headline like that. For a headline like that, it's quite possible for a liberal and a fox news conservative to have the exact same reason for leaving an angry emoji.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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post #11

Fox News dominates ratings on TV so its not surprising they'd be #1 - there's also the fact this is "engagements" and not click-throughs. I'd wager good 15% of these are probably people clicking "Angry" not actually engaging. If you look at "content with the most shares" not surprisingly Reuters and Patch tops the list. OP's headline presumes any algorithm should achieve left/right balance - this is just impossible.…

So people tell me Breitbart is a propaganda machine financed by political manipulators, but Fox is certainly run like a business. What is Fox doing to make their content free that NYT and WSJ can't t?

Paying journalists to research and report the truth...

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Things might be simpler if content aggregators had the option of making public their feed algorithms in exchange for not being responsible for user-posted content. Congress will eventually learn that automated censorship is not even close to being a solved problem, and it may never be truly solved. Whether or not automated zero-error censorship is even possible is a question for philosophers and mathematicians. I find it crazy that we're burdening companies with this job when we know so little about it.

Common sense tells us that users should be responsible for what they post. If you post something illegal, you should pay the price, not the ISP, not Google, not Facebook. If users aren't held accountable for their own actions, then they'll continue to post abominable things. It should not the responsibility of Google, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. to provide a safety net for the user.

The internet is like a virtual highway. Some people build roads, but it is the responsibility of the rest of us to learn how to use those roads safely and in accordance with the laws. We usually don't punish the road-builders for accidents (unless the road was built with malicious intent).

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Long time ago, my facebook newsfeed was full of my friends' sharing, it's been very useful place for us to keep friends update. But now, it's a different place. It's a place for ads, for livestream, for real "social" stuffs, but most of them is useless to me for what i use facebook for.

This sounds like an opportunity, a social media platform that separates all political content to some secondary feed would be interesting...

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a country that elected Bush then Trump > Not very reassuring. You left out 8 years of Obama somewhere in there.

Obama was not a dangerous president from a European perspective. Bush and Trump on the other hand have been raising a lot of concerns. The first one for lying to his people to get to war and tell the UN to go to hell. The second one has just too many red flags to even begin with.

Well he was pretty dangerous from a Libyan Syrian and Yemeni perspective
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