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Android Q will kill clipboard manager apps in the name of privacy

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Re: Android Q will kill clipboard manager apps in the name of privacy

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I've never even thought about clipboard managers for Android. While I can see the lack of such tools might limit some users' productivity, I think the overal result of a change is still a positive one. I'd much rather see background clipboard access as a separate permission classified as "dangerous", but I doubt most people won't just click allow till the prompts stop happening. Maybe things would improve if aside fr…

It’s even simpler. By default, for instance, third party keyboards don’t have network access and you have to explicitly go through settings to give it access and then you get a big scary warning.

Re: Android Q will kill clipboard manager apps in the name of privacy

#32
post #27

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None of these links are about anything Google did. I understand how many of the things Facebook have done have harmed people, and how governments can harm people, but these things seem not to apply to Google? I'm not into guilt by association.

> these things seem not to apply to Google? So first show that Google spies, then show that spying is harmful, then show that Google's spying has done specific harms? You sure have high standards. Now could you explain how the risks and dangers of surveillance don't apply to the surveillance done by Google? Are they somehow immune to government warrants? Are you privy to all of their business decisions, to know that…

Of course I can't prove that Google hasn't done anything wrong. I don't believe that. Google is criticized all the time for various things they did. Sometimes they change what they do in response to criticism.

They also have a lot of power that could be abused. I like to make a distinction between potential and actual harm, though. Almost everything you do in civilization involves trusting other people to do things for you. Including keeping secrets. Sometimes that trust is broken, but a trustless society isn't possible.

Re: Android Q will kill clipboard manager apps in the name of privacy

#34
post #6

I've never even thought about clipboard managers for Android. While I can see the lack of such tools might limit some users' productivity, I think the overal result of a change is still a positive one. I'd much rather see background clipboard access as a separate permission classified as "dangerous", but I doubt most people won't just click allow till the prompts stop happening. Maybe things would improve if aside fr…

It’s even simpler. By default, for instance, third party keyboards don’t have network access and you have to explicitly go through settings to give it access and then you get a big scary warning.

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Re: Android Q will kill clipboard manager apps in the name of privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of these links are about anything Google did. I understand how many of the things Facebook have done have harmed people, and how governments can harm people, but these things seem not to apply to Google? I'm not into guilt by association.

what about the UI patterns? any word in defense... counselor... I have noticed the annoying(to say the least) habit of everytime I click on a video on youtube on Android...the fucking youtube native app pop-up a fuck window to ask If I dont fucking prefer to watch the video on the native app... so...´do no evil` , righ, wery well... Lol! want more? they ask your phone number right now, and they write in size 0.2 font…

Snark and swearing aside, this is at least criticism of a couple of specific things that Google software does.

I'm often annoyed by this stuff, but on the other hand if you gave in, I doubt anything particularly bad would happen?

Re: Android Q will kill clipboard manager apps in the name of privacy

#36
post #5

This is throwing the baby with the bathtub, completely ridiculous. They could remove internet permission from all applications except Google's own Chrome, with that reasoning. Instead of removing clipboard permissions from all applications, make it a clear option so that the user can give it when needed or only to a specific application, for instance the essential clipboard manager -- that Android incomprehensibly do…

I'd bet that less than 0.1% of users use a custom clipboard. Android's primary focus should be to make the OS secure for the nontechnical majority. These are people who don't understand permissions, and will click on app installer popups. IMHO this is a welcome move. An alternative would have been to deny all network access to clipboard apps - thereby ensuring that they are not able to steal any data.

I've no idea how many people use them, but I do and it's easy to get used to.

What I use is an app called KDE Connect, which provides a shared clipboard with my desktop computer if the phone is on the same WLAN. It's neat. Really neat. And of course it needs network access.

Re: Android Q will kill clipboard manager apps in the name of privacy

#37
post #5

This is throwing the baby with the bathtub, completely ridiculous. They could remove internet permission from all applications except Google's own Chrome, with that reasoning. Instead of removing clipboard permissions from all applications, make it a clear option so that the user can give it when needed or only to a specific application, for instance the essential clipboard manager -- that Android incomprehensibly do…

I'd bet that less than 0.1% of users use a custom clipboard. Android's primary focus should be to make the OS secure for the nontechnical majority. These are people who don't understand permissions, and will click on app installer popups. IMHO this is a welcome move. An alternative would have been to deny all network access to clipboard apps - thereby ensuring that they are not able to steal any data.

How many actual people (as in persons) are those 0.1% when it comes to Android? People here always operate with percentages like they're worth anything as absolute numbers.

Re: Android Q will kill clipboard manager apps in the name of privacy

#38
post #28

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Applications require permissions to run. Many require internet permission although it makes no sense. For instance all Google keyboards have internet permission. And most others. That something that can record and transmit every single thing one types has that permission, to me, seems insane and I certainly will use only keyboards that do not have such asinine requirement. Edit : https://fixitalready.eff.org/android/…

Amy keyboards you could recommend? Ideally available on f-droid.

"Hacker's Keyboard" on f-droid had a long and venerable history.

Re: Android Q will kill clipboard manager apps in the name of privacy

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what about the UI patterns? any word in defense... counselor... I have noticed the annoying(to say the least) habit of everytime I click on a video on youtube on Android...the fucking youtube native app pop-up a fuck window to ask If I dont fucking prefer to watch the video on the native app... so...´do no evil` , righ, wery well... Lol! want more? they ask your phone number right now, and they write in size 0.2 font…

Snark and swearing aside, this is at least criticism of a couple of specific things that Google software does. I'm often annoyed by this stuff, but on the other hand if you gave in, I doubt anything particularly bad would happen?

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Re: Android Q will kill clipboard manager apps in the name of privacy

#40
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Applications require permissions to run. Many require internet permission although it makes no sense. For instance all Google keyboards have internet permission. And most others. That something that can record and transmit every single thing one types has that permission, to me, seems insane and I certainly will use only keyboards that do not have such asinine requirement. Edit : https://fixitalready.eff.org/android/…

Amy keyboards you could recommend? Ideally available on f-droid.

I need Japanese and Chinese, also handwritten for kanji, and the only one that combines both without analytics or internet permission currently is Multiling O [1] but I am hoping for an alternative, because it is only distributed through the Play Store, and I do not use Google services.

Otherwise, open source and on F-Droid there's AnySoftKeyboard [2] and even a build of Mozc [3], this last one unfortunately with internet permission.

[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kl.ime.oh

[2] https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.menny.android.anysoftkey...

[3] https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.mozc.android.inputmethod...

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