Apple Watch detects irregular heart beat in large U.S. study

ChuckMcM wrote: post #2

Pretty cool. Although its early days yet. I still worry about back doors that would allow the watch to be used as a lie detector surreptitiously.

Aren't lie detectors junk science?

Re: Apple Watch detects irregular heart beat in large U.S. study

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Post by hannob » Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 7:36 PM UTC

It should be noted though that this study does not say that an Apple Watch will overall provide medical benefits. It also doesn't follow automatically from the fact that it detects things with a certain reliability.

The interactions of early detection and medical benefits and downsides are complicated and it will require a lot more science to figure out whether a device like an Apple Watch can provide benefit.

Re: Apple Watch detects irregular heart beat in large U.S. study

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Post by varjag » Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 7:36 PM UTC

Despegar wrote: post #4

ChuckMcM wrote: post #2

Pretty cool. Although its early days yet. I still worry about back doors that would allow the watch to be used as a lie detector surreptitiously.

Aren't lie detectors junk science?

In the same way statistical spam filters are junk† science. They suffer from false positives/negatives issues, but they perform a lot better than coin toss.

† Granted spam filters literally deal with junk..

Re: Apple Watch detects irregular heart beat in large U.S. study

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Post by germinalphrase » Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 7:37 PM UTC

Despegar wrote: post #4

ChuckMcM wrote: post #2

Pretty cool. Although its early days yet. I still worry about back doors that would allow the watch to be used as a lie detector surreptitiously.

Aren't lie detectors junk science?

Only if you think their purpose is to detect lies.

Re: Apple Watch detects irregular heart beat in large U.S. study

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Post by raincom » Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 7:40 PM UTC

Despegar wrote: post #4

ChuckMcM wrote: post #2

Pretty cool. Although its early days yet. I still worry about back doors that would allow the watch to be used as a lie detector surreptitiously.

Aren't lie detectors junk science?

It is not 'junk' as long as Federal Agencies use it!!

Re: Apple Watch detects irregular heart beat in large U.S. study

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Post by Despegar » Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 7:41 PM UTC

hannob wrote: post #5

It should be noted though that this study does not say that an Apple Watch will overall provide medical benefits. It also doesn't follow automatically from the fact that it detects things with a certain reliability. The interactions of early detection and medical benefits and downsides are complicated and it will require a lot more science to figure out whether a device like an Apple Watch can provide benefit.

>It also doesn't follow automatically from the fact that it detects things with a certain reliability.

There's more information on this here:

https://www.apple.com/healthcare/site/docs/Apple_Watch_Arrhy...

Re: Apple Watch detects irregular heart beat in large U.S. study

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Post by lawn » Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 7:45 PM UTC

varjag wrote: post #6

Despegar wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't lie detectors junk science?

In the same way statistical spam filters are junk† science. They suffer from false positives/negatives issues, but they perform a lot better than coin toss. † Granted spam filters literally deal with junk..

Not arguing either or but a coin toss is a very low bar.