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The difference between ‘broke’ and ‘poor’

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Re: The difference between ‘broke’ and ‘poor’

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And this is in Canada, where the author's surgery and other medical care was covered in full by universal health care. Without that, her situation likely would have been far worse, and yet we can still do so much better.

I was under the impression that Canada’s health system does have a yearly deductible for perceptions at least. $750 I thought.

Edit: Yes, this was for BC or Alberta and is still the case in at least one of those.

Re: The difference between ‘broke’ and ‘poor’

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> I often hear my friends say, “I’m too poor” when they’re frustrated about what they can’t have. Maybe it’s a trip they can’t afford, a renovation they want to start right now or a pretty pair of shoes they spotted in a shop window.

I'm pretty sure I've literally never heard someone describe that as being "poor". Maybe this is some regional language thing?

Re: The difference between ‘broke’ and ‘poor’

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I have noticed there's been some progress on reducing the stigma when you're poor and are surrounded by those that aren't.

When I was young, free and/or reduced school lunch paper punch cards were a different color than normal paid ones. Similar for food stamps, WIC, etc. Now they are all plastic cards that don't look obviously different from the cards the people with money use.

Re: The difference between ‘broke’ and ‘poor’

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Poverty especially sucks when you're all alone like it seems this person was. Where I grew up, most of the people were poor, but we had rich lives for the most part. Lots of family dinners and outings. The people with more would let you take the leftovers home. You can't really train this and we all definitely need a social safety net, but I do think our closed off society prevents us from helping each other too.

Yup, to some degree if you have the money you can buy yourself a safety net. If you neither have money nor the social safety net, the thing left is what government may provide.

I grew up with a divorced mother that could provide only a small social safety net through family and an unstable financial situation. Although my financial situation is very stable since I've graduated - with small gaps - I'm extremely careful about my spendings and earnings, and instabilities worry me a lot.

Re: The difference between ‘broke’ and ‘poor’

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In my early 20's I had a girlfriend who was raised in Colombia and immigrated to the US in her teens. I remember one day recounting some bullshit middle-class slogan about how "it's better to be poor and happy, than rich and sad". She slapped me across the face and yelled at me. Passionate as she was she'd never done anything like that before. She told me what it was like growing up so poor you can't afford toothpaste. She basically gave me the whole "you know nothing John Snow". She described what a hard life it was. She'd take anything over that life.

She also wasn't poor in a 1st world country with community pools and libraries. Being poor in a 3rd world country is a whole other level.

Re: The difference between ‘broke’ and ‘poor’

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> I often hear my friends say, “I’m too poor” when they’re frustrated about what they can’t have. Maybe it’s a trip they can’t afford, a renovation they want to start right now or a pretty pair of shoes they spotted in a shop window. I'm pretty sure I've literally never heard someone describe that as being "poor". Maybe this is some regional language thing?

I've heard this often growing up in NYC.

Re: The difference between ‘broke’ and ‘poor’

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> I often hear my friends say, “I’m too poor” when they’re frustrated about what they can’t have. Maybe it’s a trip they can’t afford, a renovation they want to start right now or a pretty pair of shoes they spotted in a shop window. I'm pretty sure I've literally never heard someone describe that as being "poor". Maybe this is some regional language thing?

I have heard it very frequently from 20 and 30 somethings in NYC. I'm sure I've said it before many many times.

Re: The difference between ‘broke’ and ‘poor’

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post #16

> I often hear my friends say, “I’m too poor” when they’re frustrated about what they can’t have. Maybe it’s a trip they can’t afford, a renovation they want to start right now or a pretty pair of shoes they spotted in a shop window. I'm pretty sure I've literally never heard someone describe that as being "poor". Maybe this is some regional language thing?

I've heard this often growing up in NYC.

Wow, maybe this is a New York thing? We answered at the same instant.

Re: The difference between ‘broke’ and ‘poor’

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In my early 20's I had a girlfriend who was raised in Colombia and immigrated to the US in her teens. I remember one day recounting some bullshit middle-class slogan about how "it's better to be poor and happy, than rich and sad". She slapped me across the face and yelled at me. Passionate as she was she'd never done anything like that before. She told me what it was like growing up so poor you can't afford toothpast…

You're both right. Research shows that more money doesn't make you happier - after around 80k a year in family income. Before 80k a year (depending on location, etc, I think that was the average for the USA), every dollar absolutely makes you happier with a linear line graph.

This is also a great argument for more marginal taxation.

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