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25M Brits would struggle in a cashless society

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Re: 25M Brits would struggle in a cashless society

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The implications of a cashless society on privacy are terrifying

The implications on life for the poor are terrifying!

Businesses would love to be able to exclude people too poor to use their services from society- It's a real ugly situation. Like a decentralized apartheid based on financial status.

Without the government stepping in and trying to prevent this discrimination, there is no one to stand up for these human being's lives

Re: 25M Brits would struggle in a cashless society

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post #9

One of the problems with a cashless society is that the banks aren't required to give you a bank account. If none of the banks will give you a bank account, and there's no such thing as cash... then you're just not allowed to have money. That shouldn't be a position that it is possible to get into.

> One of the problems with a cashless society is that the banks aren't required to give you a bank account.

In the UK, the nine largest banks are legally required to offer basic bank accounts specifically to cater to people who cannot otherwise get a bank account.

Re: 25M Brits would struggle in a cashless society

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post #9

One of the problems with a cashless society is that the banks aren't required to give you a bank account. If none of the banks will give you a bank account, and there's no such thing as cash... then you're just not allowed to have money. That shouldn't be a position that it is possible to get into.

A lot of people don't realize that in the US at least, there is a semi-secret banking blacklist, where banks will just deny you all services. I know because I managed to get on it, and then managed to get off it, no easy feat. How I got there is another story, but banks are not a friend of the people, and moves towards a cashless society give them even more power, something they already have too much of.

Sidenote: I was in on bitcoin back when you could generate blocks with a CPU... and came to the conclusion that privacy of transaction was too fundamental to a good coin and abandoned bitcoin. Given central banks ability to invent money at scale, I also always thought the 50% attack was something they would work towards... and so that's the story of how I almost became a millionaire.

Re: 25M Brits would struggle in a cashless society

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post #9

One of the problems with a cashless society is that the banks aren't required to give you a bank account. If none of the banks will give you a bank account, and there's no such thing as cash... then you're just not allowed to have money. That shouldn't be a position that it is possible to get into.

What’s the reason they wouldn’t give you an account?

It seems like helping people get bank accounts would be what you’d want, though the IT issues arround outages and lack of network services in area is a hard one.

Re: 25M Brits would struggle in a cashless society

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post #14
post #9

One of the problems with a cashless society is that the banks aren't required to give you a bank account. If none of the banks will give you a bank account, and there's no such thing as cash... then you're just not allowed to have money. That shouldn't be a position that it is possible to get into.

What’s the reason they wouldn’t give you an account? It seems like helping people get bank accounts would be what you’d want, though the IT issues arround outages and lack of network services in area is a hard one.

In the USA, not meeting minimum deposit requirements, having a bad credit history or trackrecord with banks, not paying monthly fees, and not knowing how to use a computer can all preclude someone from being able to qualify or use a bank account.

I've personally seen friends struggle with all of the above, but the reloadable AMEX cards at Walmart seem to be doing well to fill in the gaps (except for not being able to direct deposit into them)

Re: 25M Brits would struggle in a cashless society

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post #9

One of the problems with a cashless society is that the banks aren't required to give you a bank account. If none of the banks will give you a bank account, and there's no such thing as cash... then you're just not allowed to have money. That shouldn't be a position that it is possible to get into.

A lot of people don't realize that in the US at least, there is a semi-secret banking blacklist, where banks will just deny you all services. I know because I managed to get on it, and then managed to get off it, no easy feat. How I got there is another story, but banks are not a friend of the people, and moves towards a cashless society give them even more power, something they already have too much of. Sidenote: I…

This might be a different list but it has a similar effect, if you[1] or your country are on it then even your ability to buy things online is reduced:

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads

[1] or someone with the same name and similar residential history

Re: 25M Brits would struggle in a cashless society

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post #9

One of the problems with a cashless society is that the banks aren't required to give you a bank account. If none of the banks will give you a bank account, and there's no such thing as cash... then you're just not allowed to have money. That shouldn't be a position that it is possible to get into.

A lot of people don't realize that in the US at least, there is a semi-secret banking blacklist, where banks will just deny you all services. I know because I managed to get on it, and then managed to get off it, no easy feat. How I got there is another story, but banks are not a friend of the people, and moves towards a cashless society give them even more power, something they already have too much of. Sidenote: I…

If you mean ChexSystems or TeleCheck, they’re regulated as credit reporting agencies so all of the “usual” measures for dealing with wayward CRAs work great even though they take a little longer because both of those companies are slow jerks.

Check out creditboards.com for lots of ways to get those companies to straighten up.

Re: 25M Brits would struggle in a cashless society

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post #9

One of the problems with a cashless society is that the banks aren't required to give you a bank account. If none of the banks will give you a bank account, and there's no such thing as cash... then you're just not allowed to have money. That shouldn't be a position that it is possible to get into.

A lot of people don't realize that in the US at least, there is a semi-secret banking blacklist, where banks will just deny you all services. I know because I managed to get on it, and then managed to get off it, no easy feat. How I got there is another story, but banks are not a friend of the people, and moves towards a cashless society give them even more power, something they already have too much of. Sidenote: I…

I enjoy the "how I almost became a millionaire because of Bitcoin" stories. I've read a lot of them online and I know surprisingly many people personally that have such a story to share.

Those stories tell you a lot about the person in question. How it didn't work out and how they cope with that "loss".

Yours is the first where someone coped out because not being satisfied with the kind of privacy Bitcoin provides.

Re: 25M Brits would struggle in a cashless society

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the reason they wouldn’t give you an account? It seems like helping people get bank accounts would be what you’d want, though the IT issues arround outages and lack of network services in area is a hard one.

In the USA, not meeting minimum deposit requirements, having a bad credit history or trackrecord with banks, not paying monthly fees, and not knowing how to use a computer can all preclude someone from being able to qualify or use a bank account. I've personally seen friends struggle with all of the above, but the reloadable AMEX cards at Walmart seem to be doing well to fill in the gaps (except for not being able to…

For what it’s worth, the Bluebird reloadable Amex cards at Wal-Mart now offer direct deposit as a feature. In case that’s relevant to anyone reading.

Re: 25M Brits would struggle in a cashless society

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You need to keep things off the books sometimes. Try saving up for a significant other's gift, if you can't keep a few things hidden.

The concept of not having your own private bank account that isn't shared with your significant other or anyone else baffles me.
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