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Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by trophycase »

WhuzzupDomal wrote: post #346

Has no one heard of planned obsolescence? Facebook has outserved its usefulness; it is little better than a rudderless ship under the current leadership and business model. The bell has tolled; and the Feds are at the gates. Cease operations and move on. There's a plot available in the social media graveyard next to MySpace with Facebook's name on it.

That's not what planned obsolescence is, but there are certainly cycles of capital whereby businesses build great and useful products with the initial help of capital infusions, then slowly degrade the usefulness of said product or increase their exploitativeness in order to reduce costs or increase prices. Perhaps that is happening with facebook now.

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Post by aylmao »

creato wrote: post #329
tathougies wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel comparing big tobacco to a service that lets you talk with your friends and keep a timeline of your life is a bit disproportionate.

Most of my friends that still smoke will straight up tell you the only reason they do it is for the social interactions that happen while smoking. I don't think it's that different.

I've heard this about smoking weed, but never tobacco. I guess it's just a cultural thing that varies from place to place ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by aylmao »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #335
a012 wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except smoke kills you

And addiction to Facebook causes depression and robs you of your abilityvto focus. Both measured and proven.

Wouldn't any addiction do this? I think the better argument to make would be that Facebook is addictive.

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by kodablah »

lordfrikk wrote: post #349
passn wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Zuckerberg's vision of Facebook as a good thing for the world was a lie" - That is such a broad generalization. In the developing world where I live Facebook gives me the opportunity to maintain contact with my family who live on the other side of the world, as I walk the streets of São Paulo, for free. There are hundreds of millions of others like me who keep in contact with their family because of Facebook (and th…

For free? Oh, you're paying, a lot. Just not with money.

> a lot

Subjective... many believe it's hardly anything (i.e. basically free to them, which is an ok belief).

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by cm2187 »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #232
mindgam3 wrote: post #61

I've known Chris Cox since freshman year of college and he was an informal advisor to my first startup. The NYT article referenced in hashberry's earlier comment includes a key quote: “For over a decade, I’ve been sharing the same message that Mark and I have always believed: Social media’s history is not yet written, and its effects are not neutral,” Mr. Cox said in a note to employees on Thursday. “As its builders…

This isn't fair. These people are vested, super rich and probably a little bored. As long as FB is a 'darling' they can ride that - now when the narrative is darker, it's just a grind for them. They can move on, do nothing, do something fun, and possibly get out before any ugly things happen. Just as FB was over-hyped on the way up, the negative narrative is also a little too much. There's a lot of grey in the detail…

Also I suspect facebook is in decline in term of engagement, I hardly know anyone around me who still uses it. That sounds like a more plausible rationale for top employees leaving than them worrying about facebook “being good for the world”.

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Post by zaarn »

kayoone wrote: post #344
chrischen wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually this was possible already, and most of Facebook's primary features existed before Facebook. Facebook can really be described as the time wasting, addiction-inducing, feature-sets on top of standard social communication features, driven by their main goal of delivering and monetizing ads. Helping you communicate with your friends and family? That's just an ad vector. Recently my friend group switched over to…

In reality it's hard to get all of your friends and family to switch services, because all of their circles also have to change and most of them don't really care about the negatives of FB. In the end you end up with 10 different messengers. The big convenience about FB is that everyone is on it and you don't need their mobile phone number.

Not everyone is on FB and FB has been bleeding users to instagram, whatsapp and other internet services for a while now.

I could say the same thing about WhatsApp really; everyone is on it so why switch to Facebook?

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Post by zestyping »

passn wrote: post #143
mindgam3 wrote: post #61

I've known Chris Cox since freshman year of college and he was an informal advisor to my first startup. The NYT article referenced in hashberry's earlier comment includes a key quote: “For over a decade, I’ve been sharing the same message that Mark and I have always believed: Social media’s history is not yet written, and its effects are not neutral,” Mr. Cox said in a note to employees on Thursday. “As its builders…

"Zuckerberg's vision of Facebook as a good thing for the world was a lie" - That is such a broad generalization. In the developing world where I live Facebook gives me the opportunity to maintain contact with my family who live on the other side of the world, as I walk the streets of São Paulo, for free. There are hundreds of millions of others like me who keep in contact with their family because of Facebook (and th…

WhatsApp does exactly that at scale; though it is owned by Facebook today, it didn't need Facebook to do that job extremely well, as it did, before Facebook bought it.

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Post by mav3rick »

confounded wrote: post #348
mav3rick wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a stupid argument. If 5 people do something that the 6th person doesn't want to ..doesn't mean the onus is on the 5 to stop doing it.

Surely that depends what the thing is?

Facebook is not that thing for sure. There is someone comparing it to Tobacco in some other comment. HN really is too much sometimes and often in its own bubble. The same arguments can be made against the Internet as a whole.

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Post by chewz »

mindgam3 wrote: post #61

I've known Chris Cox since freshman year of college and he was an informal advisor to my first startup. The NYT article referenced in hashberry's earlier comment includes a key quote: “For over a decade, I’ve been sharing the same message that Mark and I have always believed: Social media’s history is not yet written, and its effects are not neutral,” Mr. Cox said in a note to employees on Thursday. “As its builders…

So Mr Cox is the good guy who happend to be in charge of this toxic and privacy abusing platform for the last 10 years?

- I had to do that to survive - would be rather lame excuse.

Re: Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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Post by mav3rick »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #335
a012 wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except smoke kills you

And addiction to Facebook causes depression and robs you of your abilityvto focus. Both measured and proven.

So do video games. So does the internet in general. Too much of any thing is almost always bad
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